Athiesm is a faith
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10-10-2011 06:47 AM #1
You have to "believe" you are right even if you think Theists are wrong. Be sides concluding that God doesn't exist do to lack of evidence is factually wrong. You have to believe he doesn't exist. Therefore Atheism is a faith and something in which they all claim is dumb to have.
10-10-2011 09:02 AM #2
You have to "believe" you are right even if you think Theists are wrong.
If you're using the term 'belief' synonymously with 'faith' then that's wrong. If you're using the word to just mean 'to think something is true' then that's right and there's no problem with it.
Be sides concluding that God doesn't exist do to lack of evidence is factually wrong. You have to believe he doesn't exist. Therefore Atheism is a faith and something in which they all claim is dumb to have.
Atheists don't make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist. They just don't think the evidence brought forward for his existence is good enough. If you think about Zeus or some other god, and consider why you don't believe in him (why you are an atheist with respect to that god), it's not because you think you've proved that he doesn't exist, is it? It's because you haven't been given any good reason to think he does. It's the same thing.
Last edited by Dianeva; 10-10-2011 at 09:05 AM.
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10-10-2011 09:31 AM #3
Therefore Atheism is a faith
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10-10-2011 12:38 PM #4
So what you're basically saying is that you have so little in the way of actual arguments that the only things you can find to debate are artificial, semantic non-issues?
10-10-2011 12:53 PM #5
stop making threads like this???
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10-10-2011 05:44 PM #6
I might as well throw in the token answer:
Atheism is as much a faith as "not collecting stamps" is a hobby. "Not believing in god" is not the same thing as "concluding that there is no god."
Now get over yourself and go live your life.
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10-10-2011 06:07 PM #7
Next time you think about posting something, I have a suggestion: don't.
You look much more intelligent that way.
10-10-2011 07:01 PM #8
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10-11-2011 12:09 AM #9
Atheists don't make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist.
Some atheist do make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist is true and this is exactly what a positive atheist asserts. The same goes for hard atheist, strong atheist, explicit atheist, positive-explicit atheist, self-powered atheist, total atheist, classic atheist, unwritten atheist, de facto atheist, anti-theism, whatever the hell these types of atheist are calling each other nowadays.
10-11-2011 12:15 AM #10
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10-11-2011 12:37 AM #11
how the hell is atheism a trust in something
10-12-2011 07:21 AM #12
You guys seem to be having fun but the reality is faith is still required when voting "no." Skepticism does not mean everything is wrong until proven right. To believe god doesn't exist is not to doubt gods existence but to put forward your own supposition. Doubt is just that, and it takes no sides. But atheists take sides.
Saying "There's no proof of God." is different from saying, "I won't believe in God until its proven."
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10-12-2011 08:10 AM #13
To MrBlonde
Atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist nothing more.
Not all atheists take sides? there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere
Its more of a statement.
Its ridiculous to argue facts vs faith its dumb.
Whether or not one is right or wrong.
You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact, that the facts "prove them wrong."
Like wise you cant teach some one who looks for facts to believe/ have faith in the absence of facts.
(Facts as far as supporting the existence of a deity)
The spectrum isn't on the same plane.
If you wish to talk intellectually about such a topic you should not limit your self to the word "god" as it is not the true statement of an atheist.
Black is the absence of color, not one in itself; as Atheism is the absence of belief not one its self.
This is a simple word problem
Believing in disbelief
ITS THE absence OF BELIEF AND absence OF FAITH
Why argue you believe in the fact that you don't believe
Being Atheist is based of peoples supposition due to the lake of evidence not something you have faith in
I am not taking sides!
If you wanna rile up a bunch of Religious persons there are better ways of doing it.
However MrBlonde if you know not of the facts and arguments of both sides you could argue that you and you yourself have faith in the supposition that atheism makes, since you may be ignorant of either sides standings and have not the faculties to decide for your self.
So you may in a way through ignorance or arrogance have faith IN atheism
But it stands that Atheism is not a FAITH its more of an "educated" statement based on the lack there of.
Im not here to say what side I take
just do your best to represent you're argument for your side when its plausible
10-12-2011 10:37 AM #14
Got a few questions for you. Are you Atheist? Also, if so, then I'm curious as to what is your absence of belief in the existence of any deity based off of?
I think you may have answered the question here. ^ Is your absence of belief based off lack of evidence for any diety, or perhaps something else?
10-12-2011 10:50 AM #15
Why are people arguing about this? I thought the definitions were clear by now.
So an atheist can be someone who thinks that there definitely are no gods, a person who is undecided, a person who thinks there probably are no gods, a person who's never really thought about it... etc. As long as someone doesn't fall under the definition of a theist, the person is an atheist.
You wouldn't say that someone who doesn't believe in unicorns has faith that they don't exist. If you do, then fine, maybe you're defining faith differently.
10-12-2011 10:58 AM #16
This is a flexible definition to say the least, and hardly accurate.
The word itself refers to anti-theism, or belief that there is no god. If you are undecided or anything else besides that, then you are not an atheist.
Last edited by Omnis Dei; 10-12-2011 at 11:00 AM.
10-12-2011 11:08 AM #17
Very true Omneis Dei and well put, hence, we can flip the script on that one.
An Atheist is someone who believes there is no God
A Theist is someone who is not an Atheist.
10-12-2011 11:10 AM #18
And there's nothing really more to discuss, since the disagreement is purely over a definition. Unless we want to throw sources.
Oxford Dictionaries: "a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods"
Wikipedia: "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist."
Iron-Chariots wiki (atheist site): "An atheist, in the general sense, is a person who does not believe in the existence of any gods."
10-12-2011 11:23 AM #19
and no i am not an atheist
faith is the belief or trust in someTHING
can be any thing
even trust in something in which there is no proof
I am just trying to say its dumb to say that atheism is a faith
I just wanted to elaborate on it
like it was said its a position
10-12-2011 11:31 AM #20
Be that the case, then an Atheistic position would be in dire conflict with this entire statement you've made.
10-12-2011 11:41 AM #21
u could argue semantics so yes
I don't think that Atheism is a faith as MrBlonde says
10-12-2011 11:42 AM #22
Faith is something you have when you believe in a deity.
Nothing is not a deity.
Therefor believing in nothing, or not believing in a deity, isn't a faith.
10-12-2011 11:48 AM #23
deity is a recognized preternatural or supernatural immortal BEING, WHO may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by believers, often religiously referred to as a god
lol semantics that
10-12-2011 12:57 PM #24
> Arguing about words
10-12-2011 02:36 PM #25
I think Omnis Dei raises a valid point nevertheless. If absence of belief in a concept means a belief that (A) is false or invalid then one cannot claim absence of belief in (A) and in the same instance take the undecided position about (A). Being undecided is a stance of neutrality.
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10-10-2011 06:47 AM #1
You have to "believe" you are right even if you think Theists are wrong. Be sides concluding that God doesn't exist do to lack of evidence is factually wrong. You have to believe he doesn't exist. Therefore Atheism is a faith and something in which they all claim is dumb to have.
10-10-2011 09:02 AM #2
You have to "believe" you are right even if you think Theists are wrong.
If you're using the term 'belief' synonymously with 'faith' then that's wrong. If you're using the word to just mean 'to think something is true' then that's right and there's no problem with it.
Be sides concluding that God doesn't exist do to lack of evidence is factually wrong. You have to believe he doesn't exist. Therefore Atheism is a faith and something in which they all claim is dumb to have.
Atheists don't make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist. They just don't think the evidence brought forward for his existence is good enough. If you think about Zeus or some other god, and consider why you don't believe in him (why you are an atheist with respect to that god), it's not because you think you've proved that he doesn't exist, is it? It's because you haven't been given any good reason to think he does. It's the same thing.
Last edited by Dianeva; 10-10-2011 at 09:05 AM.
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10-10-2011 09:31 AM #3
Therefore Atheism is a faith
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10-10-2011 12:38 PM #4
So what you're basically saying is that you have so little in the way of actual arguments that the only things you can find to debate are artificial, semantic non-issues?
10-10-2011 12:53 PM #5
stop making threads like this???
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10-10-2011 05:44 PM #6
I might as well throw in the token answer:
Atheism is as much a faith as "not collecting stamps" is a hobby. "Not believing in god" is not the same thing as "concluding that there is no god."
Now get over yourself and go live your life.
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10-10-2011 06:07 PM #7
Next time you think about posting something, I have a suggestion: don't.
You look much more intelligent that way.
10-10-2011 07:01 PM #8
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10-11-2011 12:09 AM #9
Atheists don't make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist.
Some atheist do make the positive assertion that God doesn't exist is true and this is exactly what a positive atheist asserts. The same goes for hard atheist, strong atheist, explicit atheist, positive-explicit atheist, self-powered atheist, total atheist, classic atheist, unwritten atheist, de facto atheist, anti-theism, whatever the hell these types of atheist are calling each other nowadays.
10-11-2011 12:15 AM #10
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10-11-2011 12:37 AM #11
how the hell is atheism a trust in something
10-12-2011 07:21 AM #12
You guys seem to be having fun but the reality is faith is still required when voting "no." Skepticism does not mean everything is wrong until proven right. To believe god doesn't exist is not to doubt gods existence but to put forward your own supposition. Doubt is just that, and it takes no sides. But atheists take sides.
Saying "There's no proof of God." is different from saying, "I won't believe in God until its proven."
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10-12-2011 08:10 AM #13
To MrBlonde
Atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist nothing more.
Not all atheists take sides? there is no one ideology or set of behaviors to which all atheists adhere
Its more of a statement.
Its ridiculous to argue facts vs faith its dumb.
Whether or not one is right or wrong.
You can not convince the one with faith who needs not look for fact, that the facts "prove them wrong."
Like wise you cant teach some one who looks for facts to believe/ have faith in the absence of facts.
(Facts as far as supporting the existence of a deity)
The spectrum isn't on the same plane.
If you wish to talk intellectually about such a topic you should not limit your self to the word "god" as it is not the true statement of an atheist.
Black is the absence of color, not one in itself; as Atheism is the absence of belief not one its self.
This is a simple word problem
Believing in disbelief
ITS THE abse
nce OF BELIEF AND absence OF FAITH
Why argue you believe in the fact that you don't believe
Being Atheist is based of peoples supposition due to the lake of evidence not something you have faith in
I am not taking sides!
If you wanna rile up a bunch of Religious persons there are better ways of doing it.
However MrBlonde if you know not of the facts and arguments of both sides you could argue that you and you yourself have faith in the supposition that atheism makes, since you may be ignorant of either sides standings and have not the faculties to decide for your self.
So you may in a way through ignorance or arrogance have faith IN atheism
But it stands that Atheism is not a FAITH its more of an "educated" statement based on the lack there of.
Im not here to say what side I take
just do your best to represent you're argument for your side when its plausible
10-12-2011 10:37 AM #14
Got a few questions for you. Are you Atheist? Also, if so, then I'm curious as to what is your absence of belief in the existence of any deity based off of?
I think you may have answered the question here. ^ Is your absence of belief based off lack of evidence for any diety, or perhaps something else?
10-12-2011 10:50 AM #15
Why are people arguing about this? I thought the definitions were clear by now.
So an atheist can be someone who thinks that there definitely are no gods, a person who is undecided, a person who thinks there probably are no gods, a person who's never really thought about it... etc. As long as someone doesn't fall under the definition of a theist, the person is an atheist.
You wouldn't say that someone who doesn't believe in unicorns has faith that they don't exist. If you do, then fine, maybe you're defining faith differently.
10-12-2011 10:58 AM #16
This is a flexible definition to say the least, and hardly accurate.
The word itself refers to anti-theism, or belief that there is no god. If you are undecided or anything else besides that, then you are not an atheist.
Last edited by Omnis Dei; 10-12-2011 at 11:00 AM.
10-12-2011 11:08 AM #17
Very true Omneis Dei and well put, hence, we can flip the script on that one.
An Atheist is someone who believes there is no God
A Theist is someone who is not an Atheist.
10-12-2011 11:10 AM #18
And there's nothing really more to discuss, since the disagreement is purely over a definition. Unless we want to throw sources.
Oxford Dictionaries: "a person who does not believe in the existence of God or gods"
Wikipedia: "Atheism is, in a broad sense, the rejection of belief in the existence of deities.[1] In a narrower sense, atheism is specifically the position that there are no deities.[2] Most inclusively, atheism is simply the absence of belief that any deities exist."
Iron-Chariots wiki (atheist site): "An atheist, in the general sense, is a person who does not believe in the existence of any gods."
10-12-2011 11:23 AM #19
and no i am not an atheist
faith is the belief or trust in someTHING
can be any thing
even trust in something in which there is no proof
I am just trying to say its dumb to say that atheism is a faith
I just wanted to elaborate on it
like it was said its a position
10-12-2011 11:31 AM #20
Be that the case, then an Atheistic position would be in dire conflict with this entire statement you've made.
10-12-2011 11:41 AM #21
u could argue semantics so yes
I don't think that Atheism is a faith as MrBlonde says
10-12-2011 11:42 AM #22
Faith is something you have when you believe in a deity.
Nothing is not a deity.
Therefor believing in nothing, or not believing in a deity, isn't a faith.
10-12-2011 11:48 AM #23
deity is a recognized preternatural or supernatural immortal BEING, WHO may be thought of as holy, divine, or sacred, held in high regard, and respected by believers, often religiously referred to as a god
lol semantics that
10-12-2011 12:57 PM #24
> Arguing about words
10-12-2011 02:36 PM #25
I think Omnis Dei raises a valid point nevertheless. If absence of belief in a concept means a belief that (A) is false or invalid then one cannot claim absence of belief in (A) and in the same instance take the undecided position about (A). Being undecided is a stance of neutrality.
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