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#31 Apr 15th, 2011, 10:19
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Dr. Ghosh,
Fabulous thread - good to read about the amazing work you have been doing.
#32 Apr 16th, 2011, 00:02
Originally Posted by abheekg Superb analysis and deductions windchariot.
Anybody else would like to give this puzzle a try ?
Hint: You may find pointers to the answer in the writings of Jim Corbett and Kenneth Anderson.
Thank you Abheekda. I tried my humble best, though I have a feeling I have missed something.
Originally Posted by kshil Ohh Doctor, you are keeping us glued here in this thread, going to be one of the most hit thread soon in IM for sure, you have amazing quality of keeping readers involved in the thread. Now without much knowledge of wildlife I have also started thinking on the puzzle and wind_chariot what a nice analysis!!
Agree to EOS 100%, the Indian National Parks are becoming too costly and to some extent commercialized. Among B'garh, Kanha and Pench, I liked Pench the most just because it's less touristy and less commercialized even though its smallest among three. But the experience can be amazing with a good guide which we had fortunately.
Waiting for Doctor's own analysis in this case
Thanks kshil. Hope Doc. put more light on it so that we can find the real culprit
#33 Apr 25th, 2011, 17:17
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@abheekg: wow! ... a nice thread and amazing posts and pictures. I did see the TBHP thread too just today.
Glad I found this just as I was thinking I must visit Pench & Tadoba sometime
KS [Suhana Safar]
#34 Apr 25th, 2011, 19:23
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Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard, right time of day and the proportion of the animal eaten, definately not a pack of dogs, snake or Tiger. I am probably wrong though!
Link to my safari reports on Corbett National Park
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...012-a-t172039/
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...eport-t125638/
http://www.indiamike.com/india/1806752-post1/
#35 Apr 25th, 2011, 21:26
Sir, please update the thread....
#36 Apr 25th, 2011, 21:37
excellent analysis and a good learning too. Thanks
#37 Apr 26th, 2011, 16:51
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ISCE report on Pench
We visited Pench in April 2011 and have decided to write on the national park as my ISCE project.
For th project i need to Compile a list of organisms like mammals, birds, butterflies, trees etc. that naturally occur there and find out about their habits and their habitat requirements and add these details to my report. I have made a list of the organisms but i am not sure about the habitats . Where can i get this information.
I would also b obliged if you could tell me your own feelings about the importance of this area and how do you think can this place be managed to the benefit of all?
Would really appreciate receiving your response
#38 Apr 26th, 2011, 17:09
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Dr Ghosh
We are waiting eagerly for your update.
#39 May 1st, 2011, 02:38
A tiger cub is the cutest thing on this planet
Originally Posted by CHIRADIP Dr Ghosh
Originally Posted by wind_chariot Sir, please update the thread....
sorry about the delay. I am back with great updates.
Originally Posted by manidesai Dear Sir,
Can you specify exactly what you want for your report ? I will be glad to help you out.
Originally Posted by Fundoo excellent analysis and a good learning too. Thanks
Originally Posted by tripsammy Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard, right time of day and the proportion of the animal eaten, definately not a pack of dogs, snake or Tiger. I am probably wrong though!
Originally Posted by wind_chariot Thank you Abheekda. I tried my humble best, though I have a feeling I have missed something.
The only thing that we could glean from the image of the kill and from the evidences around it is that it was not killed by a tiger or leopard. The final analysis is yet to be out.
Originally Posted by ks_bluechip @abheekg: wow! ... a nice thread and amazing posts and pictures. I did see the TBHP thread too just today.
Thank you. It was great to connect with you on facebook too. Looking forward to your visit to this park soon.
Originally Posted by 10yearitch Dr. Ghosh,
Thank you madhu. I am just doing my bit in spreading awareness. The rest is up to all of you guys. Amen !
Its true that wildlife parks (including pench) are becoming commercialised day by day. My personal observation and experience at Pench is that things are still under control to a great extent. The forest department guys and guides are strict, there is a strict adherence to the route system (during days of rush)to avoid crowding around tigers, there is not a spec of plastic in the core and the buffer is also managed well.
a good guide definitely helps in getting a better experience in any of these parks.
Originally Posted by EOS Dr. Ghosh
Great to have you here at Indiamike. Have followed all you threads at Team Bhp. Great work you are doing.
Unfortunately visiting wildlife parks has become pretty expensive affair. I was just calculating the expenses for a 4 day vist to Bandhavgrah. Mp tourism hotel is about 3500 per day for a non ac room.
If you take both the morning and evening Safaris its about 5500 per day. So total about 9000. Add to it the travelling expenses and you are looking at a figure of 10K to 11K per day. So a 4 day trip translates into about 40 to 45K .
Just for your information, my next bandhavgad trip http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...ation-t133788/(a 5 day, 10 drive affair) for a group of 5 persons is working out at Rs. 10,000/- per head. Do note that its a no frills affair with basic stay and food.
The point I am trying to prove is that, based on your above statement, we can see that one is ending up spending the most on stay+food - which for a person like me is an unnecessary expense. I would rather camp out/stay at a homestay/budgeted resort and cook my own instant noodle.
The only real expenses that you have are the morning+evening safaris (which work out roughly at Rs. 3000/- per safari)
When I travel, I don't budget for more than rs. 500/- per day or less for lodging and food.
By my calculation, a 4 day, 8 safari trip becomes 24,000/- (safaris) + 2000/- (stay+food) + traveling expense = 26,000 + travelling expense affair !! [ a cool 50% less cost as compared to your calculation]
And when we have a few friends to share the costing, the cost per head comes down even more.
What I believe in and propagate is wildlife trips on a budget !!
I am not sure if everybody will agree on my analysis. Critics to point me out if I am wrong anywhere.
Originally Posted by EOS Can you share some info on
1. Accomodation options in Pench
2. Safari charges for tourists
3. Can i drive my own vehicle in the park. Its a 4x4 deisel BSIV
There are options ranging from 1500 per day or lesser to 40,000 per day.
Safari charges are typically 3000/- per drive including park entry fees + guide fess + gypsy charges + tips.
You can definitely drive your own 4x4 deisel BSIV but in that case the park entry fee gets doubled (which comes to the same as hiring a gypsy+you get an expert driver well versed with the park terrain); and there can be no comparison to an open top gypsy to any closed top 4x4 !! My 2 cents.
Coming back to the topic under discussion - the 5 cubs have turned 5 months old and all's well with the family. I have had some great sightings of the family over the last few weeks that I was away from the forum.
The department is regularly keeping a track of the Tigress by tracking her and the cubs on elephant back and sometimes when they find the tigers relaxing , the forest department organises a tiger viewing exercise for the general tourists from the elephant back.
Now let me clarify a few things about these sightings - these viewings are unlike the ones that are organized in Kanha where a tiger is subdued by elephants and cornered by elephants surrounding it and then the viewing happens. These tiger viewing exercises in Pench are only done when a tiger is found to be naturally relaxing, etc and these encounters are done in a way not to disturb the tigers. Anyway cutting the story short, one one similar Tiger viewing from elephant back exercise, we had a superb encounter with Collarwali - the mother of the cubs along with 2 of her babies. We could not believe our eyes when after finishing a sambhar deer kill, the tiger family proceeded to walk down to the water front, drink and then go for a swim.
Here are some pics from that encounter :
Tigress on the move
Cub peeking from behind Lantanas
Cub on the move
Collared Tigress - in habitat - Pench is so green even in Summer !!
Cubs walking to the water front
Tigress with cubs - a habitat shot
The tiger family entering water
The cubs look back - the family looks relaxed
We shot about 10 GB each that day within a span of 10 minutes from elephant back !!
P.S: By the way, Pench is not only about its Tigers. I will try to also make some of the commoners at Pench look beautiful on this thread.
Here's a green bee eater tossing its breakfast before devouring it
DaisyL, tripsammy, daoutsider, Roxy, trisha, sindabad, Earthian
#40 May 1st, 2011, 02:44
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#41 May 1st, 2011, 03:45
Originally Posted by tripsammy Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard !
Leopard rarely leaves its kill in the open ground. It will try and drag it up.
#42 May 1st, 2011, 06:06
Amazing photos, thanks so much for sharing.
#43 May 1st, 2011, 12:13
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Hey Abheek, nice pics, which body and which lens are you using. it seems like you are using 70-300mm lens. right !!
Travelogues | Flickr | Travel Guide & Gears | Survival
#44 May 1st, 2011, 17:06
Awesome pics! but why are we seeing only 2 cubs? where are other three??
#45 May 1st, 2011, 18:37
Wow, amazing photos!! Thanks for sharing those!
Pench Tiger Reserve Dec 26th, 2011 12:52 29 11518 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
Detailed Travelogue of Pench Tiger Reserve Nov 15th, 2010 11:50 6 9267 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
Two tiger cubs spotted in Ranthambore Oct 6th, 2010 13:57 5 1440 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
dog nurses tiger cubs Aug 1st, 2008 14:14 1 2642 Pets and Pet Care in India
It's raining tigerss at Pench Tiger Reserve Jul 19th, 2008 18:34 21 5047 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
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#31 Apr 15th, 2011, 10:19
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Dr. Ghosh,
Fabulous thread - good to read about the amazing work you have been doing.
#32 Apr 16th, 2011, 00:02
Originally Posted by abheekg Superb analysis and deductions windchariot.
Anybody else would like to give this puzzle a try ?
Hint: You may find pointers to the answer in the writings of Jim Corbett and Kenneth Anderson.
Thank you Abheekda. I tried my humble best, though I have a feeling I have missed something.
Originally Posted by kshil Ohh Doctor, you are keeping us glued here in this thread, going to be one of the most hit thread soon in IM for sure, you have amazing quality of keeping readers involved in the thread. Now without much knowledge of wildlife I have also started thinking on the puzzle and wind_chariot what a nice analysis!!
Agree to EOS 100%, the Indian National Parks are becoming too costly and to some extent commercialized. Among B'garh, Kanha and Pench, I liked Pench the most just because it's less touristy and less commercialized even though its smallest among three. But the experience can be amazing with a good guide which we had fortunately.
Waiting for Doctor's own analysis in this case
Thanks kshil. Hope Doc. put more light on it so that we can find the real culprit
#33 Apr 25th, 2011, 17:17
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@abheekg: wow! ... a nice thread and amazing posts and pictures. I did see the TBHP thread too just today.
Glad I found this just as I was thinking I must visit Pench & Tadoba sometime
KS [Suhana Safar]
#34 Apr 25th, 2011, 19:23
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Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard, right time of day and the proportion of the animal eaten, definately not a pack of dogs, snake or Tiger. I am probably wrong though!
Link to my safari reports on Corbett National Park
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...012-a-t172039/
http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...eport-t125638/
http://www.indiamike.com/india/1806752-post1/
#35 Apr 25th, 2011, 21:26
Sir, please update the thread....
#36 Apr 25th, 2011, 21:37
excellent analysis and a good learning too. Thanks
#37 Apr 26th, 2011, 16:51
manidesai
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ISCE report on Pench
We visited Pench in April 2011 and have decided to write on the national park as my ISCE project.
For th project i need to Compile a list of organisms like mammals, birds, butterflies, trees etc. that naturally occur there and find out about their habits and their habitat requirements and add these details to my report. I have made a list of the organisms but i am not sure about the habitats . Where can i get this information.
I would also b obliged if you could tell me your own feelings about the importance of this area and how do you think can this place be managed to the benefit of all?
Would really appreciate receiving your response
#38 Apr 26th, 2011, 17:09
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Dr Ghosh
We are waiting eagerly for your update.
#39 May 1st, 2011, 02:38
A tiger cub is the cutest thing on this planet
Originally Posted by CHIRADIP Dr Ghosh
Originally Posted by wind_chariot Sir, please update the thread....
sorry about the delay. I am back with great updates.
Originally Posted by manidesai Dear Sir,
Can you specify exactly what you want for your report ? I will be glad to help you out.
Originally Posted by Fundoo excellent analysis and a good learning too. Thanks
Originally Posted by tripsammy Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard, right time of day and the proportion of the animal eaten, definately not a pack of dogs, snake or Tiger. I am probably wrong though!
Originally Posted by wind_chariot Thank you Abheekda. I tried my humble best, though I have a feeling I have missed something.
The only thing that we could glean from the image of the kill and from the evidences around it is that it was not killed by a tiger or leopard. The final analysis is yet to be out.
Originally Posted by ks_bluechip @abheekg: wow! ... a nice thread and amazing posts and pictures. I did see the TBHP thread too just today.
Thank you. It was great to connect with you on facebook too. Looking forward to your visit to this park soon.
Originally Posted by 10yearitch Dr. Ghosh,
Thank you madhu. I am just doing my bit in spreading awareness. The rest is up to all of you guys. Amen !
Its true that wildlife parks (including pench) are becoming commercialised day by day. My personal observation and experience at Pench is that things are still under control to a great extent. The forest department guys and guides are strict, there is a strict adherence to the route system (during days of rush)to avoid crowding around tigers, there is not a spec of plastic in the core and the buffer is also managed well.
a good guide definitely helps in getting a better experience in any of these parks.
Originally Posted by EOS Dr. Ghosh
Great to have you here at Indiamike. Have followed all you threads at Team Bhp. Great work you are doing.
U
nfortunately visiting wildlife parks has become pretty expensive affair. I was just calculating the expenses for a 4 day vist to Bandhavgrah. Mp tourism hotel is about 3500 per day for a non ac room.
If you take both the morning and evening Safaris its about 5500 per day. So total about 9000. Add to it the travelling expenses and you are looking at a figure of 10K to 11K per day. So a 4 day trip translates into about 40 to 45K .
Just for your information, my next bandhavgad trip http://www.indiamike.com/india/india...ation-t133788/(a 5 day, 10 drive affair) for a group of 5 persons is working out at Rs. 10,000/- per head. Do note that its a no frills affair with basic stay and food.
The point I am trying to prove is that, based on your above statement, we can see that one is ending up spending the most on stay+food - which for a person like me is an unnecessary expense. I would rather camp out/stay at a homestay/budgeted resort and cook my own instant noodle.
The only real expenses that you have are the morning+evening safaris (which work out roughly at Rs. 3000/- per safari)
When I travel, I don't budget for more than rs. 500/- per day or less for lodging and food.
By my calculation, a 4 day, 8 safari trip becomes 24,000/- (safaris) + 2000/- (stay+food) + traveling expense = 26,000 + travelling expense affair !! [ a cool 50% less cost as compared to your calculation]
And when we have a few friends to share the costing, the cost per head comes down even more.
What I believe in and propagate is wildlife trips on a budget !!
I am not sure if everybody will agree on my analysis. Critics to point me out if I am wrong anywhere.
Originally Posted by EOS Can you share some info on
1. Accomodation options in Pench
2. Safari charges for tourists
3. Can i drive my own vehicle in the park. Its a 4x4 deisel BSIV
There are options ranging from 1500 per day or lesser to 40,000 per day.
Safari charges are typically 3000/- per drive including park entry fees + guide fess + gypsy charges + tips.
You can definitely drive your own 4x4 deisel BSIV but in that case the park entry fee gets doubled (which comes to the same as hiring a gypsy+you get an expert driver well versed with the park terrain); and there can be no comparison to an open top gypsy to any closed top 4x4 !! My 2 cents.
Coming back to the topic under discussion - the 5 cubs have turned 5 months old and all's well with the family. I have had some great sightings of the family over the last few weeks that I was away from the forum.
The department is regularly keeping a track of the Tigress by tracking her and the cubs on elephant back and sometimes when they find the tigers relaxing , the forest department organises a tiger viewing exercise for the general tourists from the elephant back.
Now let me clarify a few things about these sightings - these viewings are unlike the ones that are organized in Kanha where a tiger is subdued by elephants and cornered by elephants surrounding it and then the viewing happens. These tiger viewing exercises in Pench are only done when a tiger is found to be naturally relaxing, etc and these encounters are done in a way not to disturb the tigers. Anyway cutting the story short, one one similar Tiger viewing from elephant back exercise, we had a superb encounter with Collarwali - the mother of the cubs along with 2 of her babies. We could not believe our eyes when after finishing a sambhar deer kill, the tiger family proceeded to walk down to the water front, drink and then go for a swim.
Here are some pics from that encounter :
Tigress on the move
Cub peeking from behind Lantanas
Cub on the move
Collared Tigress - in habitat - Pench is so green even in Summer !!
Cubs walking to the water front
Tigress with cubs - a habitat shot
The tiger family entering water
The cubs look back - the family looks relaxed
We shot about 10 GB each that day within a span of 10 minutes from elephant back !!
P.S: By the way, Pench is not only about its Tigers. I will try to also make some of the commoners at Pench look beautiful on this thread.
Here's a green bee eater tossing its breakfast before devouring it
DaisyL, tripsammy, daoutsider, Roxy, trisha, sindabad, Earthian
#40 May 1st, 2011, 02:44
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#41 May 1st, 2011, 03:45
Originally Posted by tripsammy Great thread, you have us all addicted to this thread. My guess as to the predator responsible is a Leopard !
Leopard rarely leaves its kill in the open ground. It will try and drag it up.
#42 May 1st, 2011, 06:06
Amazing photos, thanks so much for sharing.
#43 May 1st, 2011, 12:13
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UP, Kolkata, Mumbai, Hyderabad, Trivandrum
Hey Abheek, nice pics, which body and which lens are you using. it seems like you are using 70-300mm lens. right !!
Travelogues | Flickr | Travel Guide & Gears | Survival
#44 May 1st, 2011, 17:06
Awesome pics! but why are we seeing only 2 cubs? where are other three??
#45 May 1st, 2011, 18:37
Wow, amazing photos!! Thanks for sharing those!
Pench Tiger Reserve Dec 26th, 2011 12:52 29 11518 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
Detailed Travelogue of Pench Tiger Reserve Nov 15th, 2010 11:50 6 9267 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
Two tiger cubs spotted in Ranthambore Oct 6th, 2010 13:57 5 1440 Indian Wildlife and National Parks
dog nurses tiger cubs Aug 1st, 2008 14:14 1 2642 Pets and Pet Care in India
It's raining tigerss at Pench Tiger Reserve Jul 19th, 2008 18:34 21 5047 Indian Wildlife and National Parks