3/9/2018 9:24 PM
Why didn't Perry trade for Mudiay sooner? We'd be in the running for doncic or Aayton.
3/9/2018 11:51 PM
Nalod wrote: Rozier was developed. We need to grow our own "Roziers".
If there is glitch in Mudiay's game and knicks think it can be fixed then there is little harm.
Just because mudiay is NOT (Good)(Smart)does not mean he never will be.
He is bloody awful now. Im not a pro scout/coach and know enough to either blow him off or understand what can be fixed.
Mudiay just doesn't have high BBIQ
3/10/2018 12:56 AM
only watched the end of the 3rd and 4th tonight. Thought he looked good.
3/10/2018 2:00 AM
Same here....i only watched the same amount.....He looked ok to me. But he didn't look like a starting PG on a championship team.....which is the ultimate goal. He looks like a raw egg hatched too early. Sometimens u are stuck at this stage. Let's hope he comes back in better shape....and more confidence on his 3 pt shot.
3/10/2018 3:42 AM
IF he looked like a PG on a championship team, he’d still be in Denver. I’m not advocating for his talent, just the opportunity for him and the knicks “For the money”.
3/10/2018 9:47 AM
Nalod wrote: IF he looked like a PG on a championship team, he’d still be in Denver. I’m not advocating for his talent, just the opportunity for him and the knicks “For the money”.
Mudiay was a good gamble. We still have another year to evaluate him on a rookie contract, so anything we get from him is a bonus. If he doesn't get better, we let him go having sacrificed nothing. It was worth the shot.
I can't find any All-Star or HOF players who shot as poorly as Ntilikina has; at least none that aren't big men. I do players that improved their shooting but none of them are what I would call really good shooters.
apparently you didn't really look that hard.
chauncey billups: 37%
jason kidd: 38.5%
kemba walker: 36%
russell westbrook: 39%
and honestly thats just off the top of my head.
BUSTED! To the pit of misery with VCoug! Dilly dilly!
Hornacek talked about his own career the other day...
Horny entered the league at 23! His first 3 years of shooting from 3... 28%, 29%, 33%. His first year over 40% was when he was 26 years old! He ended up with a career 40% from distance.
Hornacek also had a TS% 90 points higher, and eFG% 70 points higher, and a 2P% 100 points higher than Ntilikina's.
I dont even understand what these mean. Could you lay the numbers side by side for us? Don't even know what you are comparing and what 90 points higher means
All numbers are from their rookie year. I've also included several foreign-born players who struggled through their own growing pains when they first got to the NBA plus Mudiay for ****s and giggles.
Player        eFG%     TS%
Ntilikina    .405     .432
Hornaces     .471     .526
Kidd         .426     .471
Billups      .445     .516
Kemba        .411     .464
Westbrook    .414     .489
Nowitzki     .426     .491
Tony Parker  .467     .497
Giannis      .463     .518
Mudiay       .404     .437
I'm not saying that Ntilikina can't/won't improve and is a bust. I am saying that he is a long, long way away from being a rotational player in the NBA. Even Mudiay, who scarily has the most similar shooting numbers to Ntilikina, has improved over his short career. The problem is Ntilikina's shooting numbers are so bad he's got a long way to just to get to average let alone good.
Yup, he’s right there with several HOF players that came from NCAA. I see nothing here of any concern whatsoever. Dilly dilly!
3/10/2018 8:34 PM
I hear guys talk about franks shooting will improve, how the hell can you improve your shooting if you don't shoot "a lot"
There were countless footage of frank practicing his shooting over the summer with the knicks coaching staff, and his shooting % was actually slightly better last season playing less minutes.
then when i hear some say he's starting to make the open shot, then look up to see his shooting 28% for the month of march, worse of the season.
He's 2nd in minutes on the team since he got the start, and he is struggling even more
3/11/2018 12:26 AM
knicks1248 wrote: I hear guys talk about franks shooting will improve, how the hell can you improve your shooting if you don't shoot "a lot"
Your having a good day!
3/11/2018 10:02 PM
Mudiay is a big, strong lead guard BUT he is SOFT as hell around the rim.....thus his piss poor shooting % at the basket and his constant falls to the floor.
Manny simply needs to go up strong...stop with the double pumps and just attack the rim straight on with intent to go thru contact...not lean away from it.
3/12/2018 8:39 AM
The entire roster is filled with low IQ players, along with the coaching staff and president..Do you see any high IQ basket ball moves from anybody in this organization?
3/12/2018 9:44 AM
For the love of God...he's not 27 that he cannot change his game or adapt or grow leaner and even stronger.
His age is the best thing going for him. If he has the work ethic of the Latvian...he will succeed.
Hold comment until next season when he's given an actual chance.
3/12/2018 12:06 PM
Cartman718 wrote: For the love of God...he's not 27 that he cannot change his game or adapt or grow leaner and even stronger.
A player getting better is not just an individual thing. There so much more that goes into it like system, roster, culture, season goals.
You could put a very talented player in a fcked up situation, and all of a sudden he looks like a very bad player.
3/12/2018 12:30 PM
Is this what is happening with Mudiay?
which is exactly what denver was...? they put someone ahead of him. kinda the same thing that happened with Burke and it took some time for him to get over it?
11:30 AM - Mar 12, 2018
Another stat showing Frank's value on defense. Considering he is only a rookie, it's incredible. His offense needs to come along, but his floor as a lock-down defensive role player is set. He contributes more as a rookie than Smith and Fox at this point. Simple stats don't show the whole story, which hurts his perception to those just looking at the basic stuff.
Knixkik wrote: NBA Math
Thats our teenage rookie!!!!!! Phuch the Hate!!!!
OK....can I change my mind????
I just watched Mudiay make a HS mistake......I didn't know his IQ was that low.....Hes like a grown rookie with athleticism and no brains. Definitely not ready to be a starter.
3/9/2018 9:24 PM
Why didn't Perry trade for Mudiay sooner? We'd be in the running for doncic or Aayton.
3/9/2018 11:51 PM
Nalod wrote: Rozier was developed. We need to grow our own "Roziers".
If there is glitch in Mudiay's game and knicks think it can be fixed then there is little harm.
Just because mudiay is NOT (Good)(Smart)does not mean he never will be.
He is bloody awful now. Im not a pro scout/coach and know enough to either blow him off or understand what can be fixed.
Mudiay just doesn't have high BBIQ
3/10/2018 12:56 AM
only watched the end of the 3rd and 4th tonight. Thought he looked good.
3/10/2018 2:00 AM
Same here....i only watched the same amount.....He looked ok to me. But he didn't look like a starting PG on a championship team.....which is the ultimate goal. He looks like a raw egg hatched too early. Sometimens u are stuck at this stage. Let's hope he comes back in better shape....and more confidence on his 3 pt shot.
3/10/2018 3:42 AM
IF he looked like a PG on a championship team, he’d still be in Denver. I’m not advocating for his talent, just the opportunity for him and the knicks “For the money”.
3/10/2018 9:47 AM
Nalod wrote: IF he looked like a PG on a championship team, he’d still be in Denver. I’m not advocating for his talent, just the opportunity for him and the knicks “For the money”.
Mudiay was a good gamble. We still have another year to evaluate him on a rookie contract, so anything we get from him is a bonus. If he doesn't get better, we let him go having sacrificed nothing. It was worth the shot.
I can't find any All-Star or HOF players who shot as poorly as Ntilikina has; at least none that aren't big men. I do players that improved their shooting but none of them are what I would call really good shooters.
apparently you didn't really look that hard.
chauncey billups: 37%
jason kidd: 38.5%
kemba walker: 36%
russell westbrook: 39%
and honestly thats just off the top of my head.
BUSTED! To the pit of misery with VCoug! Dilly dilly!
Hornacek talked about his own career the other day...
Horny entered the league at 23! His first 3 years of shooting from 3... 28%, 29%, 33%. His first year over 40% was when he was 26 years old! He ended up with a career 40% from distance.
Hornacek also had a TS% 90 points higher, and eFG% 70 points higher, and a 2P% 100 points higher than Ntilikina's.
I dont even understand what these mean. Could you lay the numbers side by side for us? Don't even know what you are comparing and what 90 points higher means
All numbers are from their rookie year. I've also included several foreign-born players who struggled through their own growing pains when they first got to the NBA plus Mudiay for ****s and giggles.
Player        eFG%     TS%
Ntilikina    .405     .432
Hornaces     .471     .526
Kidd         .426     .471
Billups      .445     .516
Kemba        .411     .464
Westbrook    .414     .489
Nowitzki     .426     .491
Tony Parker  .467     .497
Giannis      .463     .518
Mudiay       .404     .437
I'm not saying that Ntilikina can't/won't improve and is a bust. I am saying that he is a long, long way away from being a rotational player in the NBA. Even Mudiay, who sca
rily has the most similar shooting numbers to Ntilikina, has improved over his short career. The problem is Ntilikina's shooting numbers are so bad he's got a long way to just to get to average let alone good.
Yup, he’s right there with several HOF players that came from NCAA. I see nothing here of any concern whatsoever. Dilly dilly!
3/10/2018 8:34 PM
I hear guys talk about franks shooting will improve, how the hell can you improve your shooting if you don't shoot "a lot"
There were countless footage of frank practicing his shooting over the summer with the knicks coaching staff, and his shooting % was actually slightly better last season playing less minutes.
then when i hear some say he's starting to make the open shot, then look up to see his shooting 28% for the month of march, worse of the season.
He's 2nd in minutes on the team since he got the start, and he is struggling even more
3/11/2018 12:26 AM
knicks1248 wrote: I hear guys talk about franks shooting will improve, how the hell can you improve your shooting if you don't shoot "a lot"
Your having a good day!
3/11/2018 10:02 PM
Mudiay is a big, strong lead guard BUT he is SOFT as hell around the rim.....thus his piss poor shooting % at the basket and his constant falls to the floor.
Manny simply needs to go up strong...stop with the double pumps and just attack the rim straight on with intent to go thru contact...not lean away from it.
3/12/2018 8:39 AM
The entire roster is filled with low IQ players, along with the coaching staff and president..Do you see any high IQ basket ball moves from anybody in this organization?
3/12/2018 9:44 AM
For the love of God...he's not 27 that he cannot change his game or adapt or grow leaner and even stronger.
His age is the best thing going for him. If he has the work ethic of the Latvian...he will succeed.
Hold comment until next season when he's given an actual chance.
3/12/2018 12:06 PM
Cartman718 wrote: For the love of God...he's not 27 that he cannot change his game or adapt or grow leaner and even stronger.
A player getting better is not just an individual thing. There so much more that goes into it like system, roster, culture, season goals.
You could put a very talented player in a fcked up situation, and all of a sudden he looks like a very bad player.
3/12/2018 12:30 PM
Is this what is happening with Mudiay?
which is exactly what denver was...? they put someone ahead of him. kinda the same thing that happened with Burke and it took some time for him to get over it?
11:30 AM - Mar 12, 2018
Another stat showing Frank's value on defense. Considering he is only a rookie, it's incredible. His offense needs to come along, but his floor as a lock-down defensive role player is set. He contributes more as a rookie than Smith and Fox at this point. Simple stats don't show the whole story, which hurts his perception to those just looking at the basic stuff.
Knixkik wrote: NBA Math
Thats our teenage rookie!!!!!! Phuch the Hate!!!!
OK....can I change my mind????
I just watched Mudiay make a HS mistake......I didn't know his IQ was that low.....Hes like a grown rookie with athleticism and no brains. Definitely not ready to be a starter.