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Topic: D.i.y counterbalance handle (Read 1095 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 10:27:09 PM »
Quote from: procricket on January 08, 2017, 10:24:11 PMwell Saad what type of player are you ...Quick hands slow handAre you strong..What bats do you tend to useWhat bat weight do you tend to score runs with..Are you a touch player or a buller of the ball.What important in a bat to you (looks or one that will help you score runs)Are you a ball deflector or more of a hard hitting get your hand through the ball type.These are the questions I would always ask a player before he picks a batHands vs weight is not a theory it works for me....I do not have quick hands but I'm quite strong and have a stable technique but I find a heavier bat I can time the ball better due to being in a good position and not throwing my hands through it.I also find too many people inhibit themselves with too lightweight/ or excseeivly heavy bats and hands speed vs mass weight is one of the most important questions answered.But it goes back to the equipment vs quality of player question will a better player using poor kit play better than a average player with top kit.Working out your game is part of the game I love and so should people it the journey to finding what works for them..For me pick up is important but so is coverage because as a club player I hit it all over the blade and need as much mass behind most of the bat as possible but still need to possibly play all the shots I know and do it for a longish period unless I get out early.
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 10:59:36 PM »
I love all this stuff... The physics say a light, bottom heavy bat can generate the same "force" as a heavy bat with the weight higher up when swung at a ball at the same speed (strictly acceleration). Where the mass is affects "force" in (rotational) cricket shots. It is just the same as "pick up" in reverse. Whenever I see f=ma talking about cricket bats the engineer in me cringes a bit A light low middle bat may sound great then as it is less dead weight to carry around and shouldn't restrict cross bat shots so much but if you assume constant density that low dead weight means less material to work with and hence less "coverage" or margin for error away from the sweet spot (plus the sweet spot might not be in the best place for you)A high middle heavy bat will have the extra material to give greater coverage and feel light when swung (light pick up, fast bat "speed") but there's no getting around it being heavy which may or may not be an bad thing!Adding a counterbalance falls in to the latter, making a heavy bat more generally manageable but still "heavy"To be honest the better way to improve the "pick up" and bat speed if a bat doesn't quite feel spot on is probably to remove the porky toe guard! Would have more effect than mass at the top of the handleFinding the balance (no pun intended) and trade off between all of this is fascinating. I reckon the 2.9 Pro Performance Uzi have would do most people just fine- all around win Scrap that ignore me, procricket explained pretty much the same thing better No escaping the fact too that I could use any bat and still be shonky « Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 11:10:16 PM by DorsetDan »
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 04:05:35 AM »
I tested all this stuff ages ago and it works well for bats that are already light. The heavier the bat the least effective it becomes. Strips of lead flashing work well with a bit of tape. Of course getting a bat made how you need it is better than all these workarounds. https://www.facebook.com/notes/cricket-bat-info/want-a-lighter-pickup/1472693596368109
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2017, 07:03:11 AM »
I think what is happening for my experience is that they are all light bats so as @sarg said it may be more noticeable . With most of my bats I have an inch cut off the handle , which is a loss of .3-.5oz , so adding a counterbalance is putting some of that weight back onto the handle knob , thus returning the bat to something more closely resembling its original balance and feel .I tried the counterbalance on all 14 of my bats . With my c.a bats (6 of them ) I dont cut the knob off because they are shorter bats to begin with . I found the counterbalance worked for the 4 lighter ones , not so much for the two heavier ones .With my j.p.g i noticed a minor improvement .With my s.f ( which is short blade , long handle , no knob cut off ) I felt it made the bat feel worse . But perhaps this bat has extra handle sticking out past my top hand anyway which is already fulfilling a similar job .With all my other bats ( all g.n ) i noticed a significant improvement , regardless of weight . Having said all this , all my bats are between 2lb6oz and 2lb9oz . So I'm going to keep the counterbalance on 10 of my 14 bats , for the time being anyway .
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 09:30:00 AM »
I also cut 1 inch of the top of my bats So to me it makes sense to replace the weight lost i weigh the piece cut off and put the same weight in lead flashing strips around the top of the handle.
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 08:15:19 PM »
Bit of a thread revival but it seems BMac is a fan of a counter balance... looks like a tennis ball it is so chunky!
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PM »
he sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 09:24:15 PM »
I have found that a thicker handle is much better for counter balancing than lead tape or cut grips
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 09:26:35 PM »
Quote from: procricket on February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PMhe sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!Hope yours isn't a two piece mate! My cousins Impala has a counter balance from factory. Personally im not a fan.
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 09:40:28 PM »
Quote from: procricket on February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PMhe sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!Does yours have such a huge counterbalance Dave? This one really caught my eye! wasn't it quite hefty, around 2.13 or so???
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2017, 11:22:45 PM »
What is B Macs counter balance actually made of?
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 11:33:26 PM »
Quote from: jimmy23 on February 01, 2017, 11:22:45 PMWhat is B Macs counter balance actually made of?Finest west country mature cheddar.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AM »
I like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 01:55:50 AM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AMI like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !Lead tape (golf stores sell various types) is way better. Much more weight for the volume...and no chance of the tape rolling up, off the handle. Logged
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2017, 07:40:57 AM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AMI like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !Tape could be on top of twine to make the handle thicker like Mr Root for one... Logged
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Topic: D.i.y counterbalance handle (Read 1095 times)
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« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2017, 10:27:09 PM »
Quote from: procricket on January 08, 2017, 10:24:11 PMwell Saad what type of player are you ...Quick hands slow handAre you strong..What bats do you tend to useWhat bat weight do you tend to score runs with..Are you a touch player or a buller of the ball.What important in a bat to you (looks or one that will help you score runs)Are you a ball deflector or more of a hard hitting get your hand through the ball type.These are the questions I would always ask a player before he picks a batHands vs weight is not a theory it works for me....I do not have quick hands but I'm quite strong and have a stable technique but I find a heavier bat I can time the ball better due to being in a good position and not throwing my hands through it.I also find too many people inhibit themselves with too lightweight/ or excseeivly heavy bats and hands speed vs mass weight is one of the most important questions answered.But it goes back to the equipment vs quality of player question will a better player using poor kit play better than a average player with top kit.Working out your game is part of the game I love and so should people it the journey to finding what works for them..For me pick up is important but so is coverage because as a club player I hit it all over the blade and need as much mass behind most of the bat as possible but still need to possibly play all the shots I know and do it for a longish period unless I get out early.
« Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 10:36:08 PM by procricket »
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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2017, 10:59:36 PM »
I love all this stuff... The physics say a light, bottom heavy bat can generate the same "force" as a heavy bat with the weight higher up when swung at a ball at the same speed (strictly acceleration). Where the mass is affects "force" in (rotational) cricket shots. It is just the same as "pick up" in reverse. Whenever I see f=ma talking about cricket bats the engineer in me cringes a bit A light low middle bat may sound great then as it is less dead weight to carry around and shouldn't restrict cross bat shots so much but if you assume constant density that low dead weight means less material to work with and hence less "coverage" or margin for error away from the sweet spot (plus the sweet spot might not be in the best place for you)A high middle heavy bat will have the extra material to give greater coverage and feel light when swung (light pick up, fast bat "speed") but there's no getting around it being heavy which may or may not be an bad thing!Adding a counterbalance falls in to the latter, making a heavy bat more generally manageable but still "heavy"To be honest the better way to improve the "pick up" and bat speed if a bat doesn't quite feel spot on is probably to remove the porky toe guard! Would have more effect than mass at the top of the handleFinding the balance (no pun intended) and trade off between all of this is fascinating. I reckon the 2.9 Pro Performance Uzi have would do most people just fine- all around win Scrap that ignore me, procricket explained pretty much the same thing better No escaping the fact too that I could use any bat and still be shonky « Last Edit: January 08, 2017, 11:10:16 PM by DorsetDan »
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« Reply #17 on: January 09, 2017, 04:05:35 AM »
I tested all this stuff ages ago and it works well for bats that are already light. The heavier the bat the least effective it becomes. Strips of lead flashing work well with a bit of tape. Of course getting a bat made how you need it is better than all these workarounds. https://www.facebook.com/notes/cricket-bat-info/want-a-lighter-pickup/1472693596368109
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« Reply #18 on: January 09, 2017, 07:03:11 AM »
I think what is happening for my experience is that they are all light bats so as @
sarg said it may be more noticeable . With most of my bats I have an inch cut off the handle , which is a loss of .3-.5oz , so adding a counterbalance is putting some of that weight back onto the handle knob , thus returning the bat to something more closely resembling its original balance and feel .I tried the counterbalance on all 14 of my bats . With my c.a bats (6 of them ) I dont cut the knob off because they are shorter bats to begin with . I found the counterbalance worked for the 4 lighter ones , not so much for the two heavier ones .With my j.p.g i noticed a minor improvement .With my s.f ( which is short blade , long handle , no knob cut off ) I felt it made the bat feel worse . But perhaps this bat has extra handle sticking out past my top hand anyway which is already fulfilling a similar job .With all my other bats ( all g.n ) i noticed a significant improvement , regardless of weight . Having said all this , all my bats are between 2lb6oz and 2lb9oz . So I'm going to keep the counterbalance on 10 of my 14 bats , for the time being anyway .
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« Reply #19 on: January 09, 2017, 09:30:00 AM »
I also cut 1 inch of the top of my bats So to me it makes sense to replace the weight lost i weigh the piece cut off and put the same weight in lead flashing strips around the top of the handle.
« Reply #20 on: February 01, 2017, 08:15:19 PM »
Bit of a thread revival but it seems BMac is a fan of a counter balance... looks like a tennis ball it is so chunky!
« Reply #21 on: February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PM »
he sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!
« Reply #22 on: February 01, 2017, 09:24:15 PM »
I have found that a thicker handle is much better for counter balancing than lead tape or cut grips
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« Reply #23 on: February 01, 2017, 09:26:35 PM »
Quote from: procricket on February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PMhe sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!Hope yours isn't a two piece mate! My cousins Impala has a counter balance from factory. Personally im not a fan.
« Reply #24 on: February 01, 2017, 09:40:28 PM »
Quote from: procricket on February 01, 2017, 09:08:22 PMhe sure is I have his actual bat with me at the minute!!!!Does yours have such a huge counterbalance Dave? This one really caught my eye! wasn't it quite hefty, around 2.13 or so???
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« Reply #25 on: February 01, 2017, 11:22:45 PM »
What is B Macs counter balance actually made of?
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« Reply #26 on: February 01, 2017, 11:33:26 PM »
Quote from: jimmy23 on February 01, 2017, 11:22:45 PMWhat is B Macs counter balance actually made of?Finest west country mature cheddar.
« Reply #27 on: February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AM »
I like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !
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« Reply #28 on: February 02, 2017, 01:55:50 AM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AMI like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !Lead tape (golf stores sell various types) is way better. Much more weight for the volume...and no chance of the tape rolling up, off the handle. Logged
« Reply #29 on: February 02, 2017, 07:40:57 AM »
Quote from: Biggie Smalls on February 02, 2017, 12:17:47 AMI like how bmac is making his handles thinner using medical tape and combining this with a counterbalance. ....I'm becoming more and more a fan of these two things done to a handle.Would love to know how many cut grips it takes to get a bmac-tennis ball handle knob !Tape could be on top of twine to make the handle thicker like Mr Root for one... Logged
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