« Reply #15 on: (11:46:38/02-22-11) »
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow" - Devil's Right Hand, Steve Earle
« Reply #16 on: (15:50:16/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Crossbow on (02:05:52/02-22-11)
Depending on what materials the frame is made out of you could see cracking on the crane, just south of the forcing cone. As an example S&W's new models have been reported to crack, in the above mentioned spot, for rounds that produce higher pressure (magnum, +p). That's because S&W started using an alloy to make the revolvers lighter.
The Super Warhawk is based off of the Ruger Super Redhawk (the Super Blackhawk is a single action hunting revolver so I don't think it based off of that model). Revolvers are heavy duty and simple in mechanics, but they are engineered to fire whatever they've been chambered for. In this case the Redhawk is based off an 'N' frame, which is designed to shoot hunting sized calibers, like the .44 Magnum/.454 Casull. So ultimately the GM needs to decide if the High Power Chambering is scaled up beyond what the frame is designed to shoot. IRL the Redhawk is already at the top end of what the frame can handle, but who knows what it's designed to do in the Warhawk.
I would make the call that they would need a frame rebuild to handle the scaling up in ammo (the whole point of the Ruger Super series is to handle the largest caliber round for the largest frame). Another example would be like trying to modernize a .45 ACP cartridge from black powder standards, which is where it is still IRL, to current capabilities. The pistol would have a catastrophic failure in your face if you fired it without a total rebuild to handle the new characteristics. The cylinder I wouldn't worry about as much, because they are designed for HIGH pressures, but I still wouldn't fire it under water (there was only ever one revolver designed to fire under water and it wasn't a mainstream weapon).
« Last Edit: (15:55:07/02-22-11) by savaze »
« Reply #17 on: (17:13:34/02-22-11) »
You mean .45 Colt Long Revolver and not .45 ACP, I bet. Smokeless Powder was developed a bit before 1911.
The Colt Single Action Army Model of 1873 is still in production, BTW, and comes in a variety of calibers, including modern .357 Magnum and .44 Special.
Man I wish I could own firearms... 100th Anniversary of the M1911 special editions are available for ordering now...
« Reply #18 on: (18:24:09/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (17:13:34/02-22-11)
Oops I've got .45 on the brain, I meant to put .45 LC... I've been eyeing the S&W Governor lately. It's a bit gimmicky, but it shoots .45 ACP, .45 LC, and .410. It sounds fun to me!
« Reply #19 on: (18:31:33/02-22-11) »
Oh nice. Reminds me of the old Medusa Model 47 revolver. That baby could chamber and shoot any 9mm caliber ammo you could name. The only ammo they didn't test it on were museum pieces in rarity.
« Reply #20 on: (18:32:30/02-22-11) »
They are. Go to your local store.
Quote from: CanRay on (18:31:33/02-22-11)
I've seen it once at the store.
« Reply #21 on: (21:00:59/02-22-11) »
Hey, that's my gun! I posted that in the Trigger Talk thread. Your player even used the name Hambone!
Quote from: Ryo on (02:50:48/01-30-11)
My personal favorite gun right now belongs to an eccentric Dwarf Rigger who goes by the name Hambone. Hambone may be married to his drones, but his mistress is his beloved Bessie, a customized Ruger Super Warhawk.
« Last Edit: (21:06:28/02-22-11) by Ryo »
« Reply #22 on: (21:32:52/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Outsider on (18:32:30/02-22-11)
I'm in Canada. They don't exactly have that at my local store.
« Reply #23 on: (21:35:46/02-22-11) »
Oh man I think i just died and went to runner heaven
« Reply #24 on: (21:36:13/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (21:32:52/02-22-11)
Ditto for Australia. Handgun laws are bloody strict down my way.
« Reply #25 on: (21:41:04/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Charybdis on (21:36:13/02-22-11)
lol is it wrong that I really wanna start sing the USA national anthem right now
« Reply #26 on: (21:43:09/02-22-11) »
Quote from: aimlessfreak on (21:41:04/02-22-11)
« Reply #27 on: (21:43:57/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (21:43:09/02-22-11)
Say what you want, I think I'll go clean my handgun now
« Reply #28 on: (21:54:10/02-22-11) »
You know what bugs me, chummer? Political/Legal issues aside, guns are expensive. They would seem to be the privilege of the wealthy.
« Reply #29 on: (21:58:01/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Rockopolis on (21:54:10/02-22-11)
Only legally.....
« Reply #15 on: (11:46:38/02-22-11) »
Shoot as fast as lightnin' but it loads a mite slow" - Devil's Right Hand, Steve Earle
« Reply #16 on: (15:50:16/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Crossbow on (02:05:52/02-22-11)
Depending on what materials the frame is made out of you could see cracking on the crane, just south of the forcing cone. As an example S&W's new models have been reported to crack, in the above mentioned spot, for rounds that produce higher pressure (magnum, +p). That's because S&W started using an alloy to make the revolvers lighter.
The Super Warhawk is based off of the Ruger Super Redhawk (the Super Blackhawk is a single action hunting revolver so I don't think it based off of that model). Revolvers are heavy duty and simple in mechanics, but they are engineered to fire whatever they've been chambered for. In this case the Redhawk is based off an 'N' frame, which is designed to shoot hunting sized calibers, like the .44 Magnum/.454 Casull. So ultimately the GM needs to decide if the High Power Chambering is scaled up beyond what the frame is designed to shoot. IRL the Redhawk is already at the top end of what the frame can handle, but who knows what it's designed to do in the Warhawk.
I would make the call that they would need a frame rebuild to handle the scaling up in ammo (the whole point of the Ruger Super series is to handle the largest caliber round for the largest frame). Another example would be like trying to modernize a .45 ACP cartridge from black powder standards, which is where it is still IRL, to current capabilities. The pistol would have a catastrophic failure in your face if you fired it without a total rebuild to handle the new characteristics. The cylinder I wouldn't worry about as much, because they are designed for HIGH pressures, but I still wouldn't fire it under water (there was only ever one revolver designed to fire under water and it wasn't a mainstream weapon).
« Last Edit: (15:55:07/02-22-11) by savaze »
« Reply #17 on: (17:13:34/02-22-11) »
You mean .45 Colt Long Revolver and not .45 ACP, I bet. Smokeless Powder was developed a bit before 1911.
The Colt Single Action Army Model of 1873 is still in production, BTW, and comes in a variety of calibers, including modern .357 Magnu
m and .44 Special.
Man I wish I could own firearms... 100th Anniversary of the M1911 special editions are available for ordering now...
« Reply #18 on: (18:24:09/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (17:13:34/02-22-11)
Oops I've got .45 on the brain, I meant to put .45 LC... I've been eyeing the S&W Governor lately. It's a bit gimmicky, but it shoots .45 ACP, .45 LC, and .410. It sounds fun to me!
« Reply #19 on: (18:31:33/02-22-11) »
Oh nice. Reminds me of the old Medusa Model 47 revolver. That baby could chamber and shoot any 9mm caliber ammo you could name. The only ammo they didn't test it on were museum pieces in rarity.
« Reply #20 on: (18:32:30/02-22-11) »
They are. Go to your local store.
Quote from: CanRay on (18:31:33/02-22-11)
I've seen it once at the store.
« Reply #21 on: (21:00:59/02-22-11) »
Hey, that's my gun! I posted that in the Trigger Talk thread. Your player even used the name Hambone!
Quote from: Ryo on (02:50:48/01-30-11)
My personal favorite gun right now belongs to an eccentric Dwarf Rigger who goes by the name Hambone. Hambone may be married to his drones, but his mistress is his beloved Bessie, a customized Ruger Super Warhawk.
« Last Edit: (21:06:28/02-22-11) by Ryo »
« Reply #22 on: (21:32:52/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Outsider on (18:32:30/02-22-11)
I'm in Canada. They don't exactly have that at my local store.
« Reply #23 on: (21:35:46/02-22-11) »
Oh man I think i just died and went to runner heaven
« Reply #24 on: (21:36:13/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (21:32:52/02-22-11)
Ditto for Australia. Handgun laws are bloody strict down my way.
« Reply #25 on: (21:41:04/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Charybdis on (21:36:13/02-22-11)
lol is it wrong that I really wanna start sing the USA national anthem right now
« Reply #26 on: (21:43:09/02-22-11) »
Quote from: aimlessfreak on (21:41:04/02-22-11)
« Reply #27 on: (21:43:57/02-22-11) »
Quote from: CanRay on (21:43:09/02-22-11)
Say what you want, I think I'll go clean my handgun now
« Reply #28 on: (21:54:10/02-22-11) »
You know what bugs me, chummer? Political/Legal issues aside, guns are expensive. They would seem to be the privilege of the wealthy.
« Reply #29 on: (21:58:01/02-22-11) »
Quote from: Rockopolis on (21:54:10/02-22-11)
Only legally.....