Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Why do you leave out....Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Didn't He say that? Why yes He did, didn't He? He FUFILLED it on the cross and then said IT IS FINISHED.What I say contradicts YOUR interpretation, that's all and it's easy to do. It's just a silly fairy tale so "he" never "FULFILLED" anything.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>It has EVERYTHING to do with your post you arrogant little twit. Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie."
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Why do you leave out....Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Didn't He say that? Why yes He did, didn't He? He FUFILLED it on the cross and then said IT IS FINISHED.What I say contradicts YOUR interpretation, that's all and it's easy to do. So in your words he said "I did not come to do away with the law and the prophets but do away with it"? Is that the conclusion you come to. Fulfill- Bring to completion or realitySo he brought the law to completion. Does this mean him adding on (which Moses said no one was to do in deut 4.2)? Why yes, yes it does. What you say does contradict my interpretation. That doesnt mean YOUR interpretation is right. In fact its incorrect lol
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you would read it you would see it.Gills Exposition of the Entire Biblethat he hath done this; wrought this righteousness; so Jarchi; that is, is the author of it; is become the end of the law for it; HAS FINISHED IT; and brought it in; or else all the great things spoken of in this psalm, relating to the Messiah, his sufferings, death, and resurrection, and the calling of the Gentiles; all which are the Lord's doings, and are what is declared in the Gospel: the Targum is, "the miracles which he hath done"; the Septuagint version, and those that follow it, connect this clause with the preceding thus, "to a people that shall be born, whom the Lord hath made"; made them his people, created them in Christ, and formed them for himself. I've read it and do not see what you are speaking of. Which is why I asked "where is it in Psalm 22"? Are you gonna answer or are you gonna play some more dodgeball with my questions like Native.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Actually He said it in Psalms 22. It is foretelling the death of Christ on the cross. So again, when He said it is finished, THAT closed the Old Testament.You CANNOT keep the law. That is what Christ came for,,He FULFILLED the law. So, if you are trying to keep it you will be judged by it and come up short. A fictional character cannot really fulfill anything.
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie." How do you know God could not become a man? Do you claim to know God exhaustively?
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>A fictional character cannot really fulfill anything. Agreed. The problem is that Jesus was not fictional.
Jeff wrote: <quoted text>How do you know God could not become a man? Do you claim to know God exhaustively? The Almighty can do anything He chooses to.The simple fact is when He came to Abraham He didnt make confusing statements such as Him having a god and a father that was greater than Him. He said that He was God Almighty and that He came to make a great nation out of Abraham. Now (hypothetically since I do not believe Jesus was god) when He came as Jesus He all of a sudden made confusing statements as the ones mentioned above? Do you think He made these statements and STILL expected people to get the idea that He was the Almighty? I dont thinks so which is one of the reasons I doubt Jesus
"And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions." http://bible.cc/joel/2-28.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYrgEi9kHz4
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>How can you say Im repeating something about Nero when I havent said anything of him? Sighs*Muslims do worship a rock. They may say they do not. But they bow down to it and hold reverence toward a thing that cannot move, walk, or talk. Actions speak louder than words https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images... That only shows them bowing toward a spot where Mohammed was supposdly taken up, nothing more.
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>So in your words he said "I did not come to do away with the law and the prophets but do away with it"? Is that the conclusion you come to.Fulfill- Bring to completion or realitySo he brought the law to completion. Does this mean him adding on (which Moses said no one was to do in deut 4.2)? Why yes, yes it does.What you say does contradict my interpretation. That doesnt mean YOUR interpretation is right. In fact its incorrect lol If you can't read plain English then that is your problem, not mine. I showed you PLAINLY where He said He came to FULFILL the law, not to abolish it. You're the one playing games.
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie." You are spiritually dead and clueless.
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>I've read it and do not see what you are speaking of. Which is why I asked "where is it in Psalm 22"? Are you gonna answer or are you gonna play some more dodgeball with my questions like Native. If you can read Psalm 22 without seeing the agony of Christ on the cross being prophesied then you have way far more problems than I thought. It even details the soldiers casting lots for His clothes. I am not playing dodgeball with you. It seesm though you are playing dumb. Or, are you playing?
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>The Almighty can do anything He chooses to.The simple fact is when He came to Abraham He didnt make confusing statements such as Him having a god and a father that was greater than Him. He said that He was God Almighty and that He came to make a great nation out of Abraham. Now (hypothetically since I do not believe Jesus was god) when He came as Jesus He all of a sudden made confusing statements as the ones mentioned above? Do you think He made these statements and STILL expected people to get the idea that He was the Almighty? I dont thinks so which is one of the reasons I doubt Jesus When He came as Jesus Christ, He came as the Son of man. He was showing us how to be toward God Almighty. So of course He would call God Father and pray to Him. It is an example to US how to do.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you can't read plain English then that is your problem, not mine. I showed you PLAINLY where He said He came to FULFILL the law, not to abolish it. You're the one playing games. Of course you cant prove what you say is true. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.Till heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>When He came as Jesus Christ, He came as the Son of man. He was showing us how to be toward God Almighty. So of course He would call God Father and pray to Him. It is an example to US how to do. You mean it wasnt shown how to be towards him till Jesus came? What about Moses, Abraham, David, Noah, and so forth? They didnt provide examples of how to be towards Him? What you're suggesting is like me telling you I am white when Im black. And expecting you to get what I really am instead of what I said. Do you think He is the author of confusion?
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you can read Psalm 22 without seeing the agony of Christ on the cross being prophesied then you have way far more problems than I thought. It even details the soldiers casting lots for His clothes.I am not playing dodgeball with you. It seesm though you are playing dumb. Or, are you playing? That was clearly David speaking of himself. Just because NT writers twisted what wasnt a prophecy into one doesnt make it right. You are playing dodgeball. When you dodge responses( though I do not dodge yours) what else are you doing? You've spent time and time responding but when I ask you to support your premise you say you dont have to or i should be evident just by reading it. I do not get how the law was going to be fulfilled by reading Psalm 22. Thats what you said and I ask you where in Psalm 22 is this EVEN HINTED at?
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>That only shows them bowing toward a spot where Mohammed was supposdly taken up, nothing more. Exodus 20:4-5You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,Isaiah 2:8Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have madeSurely you do not think I should go to Mount Sinai where the Almighty appeared to Moses and Israel as a burning fire upon the mountain and then start bowing down to the mountain and kissing it? Showing reverence to the mountain? Of course not that IS IDOL WORSHIP. You bow to and show reverence the Almighty One who always EXISTED. NOTHING ELSE
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>Genesis 24:43See, I am standing beside this spring; if a maiden (almah) comes out to draw water and I say to her, "Please let me drink a little water from your jar,"Exodus 2:8And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid (almah) went and called the child's mother.Proverbs 30:19The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maiden (almah).Psalm 68:25The singers went on, the musicians after them, In the midst of the maidens (almah) beating tambourines.What were you saying again? .Please show me how these verses indicate that the Almah is not a virgin? Here is what I said......"The word "almah" is used 7 times in the OT. None of those uses can be ....positively said that it describes a woman who is not a virgin." .While you are pondering that, Rebekah, the Almah in Gen 24:43 was a virgin because Isaac married her in vs. 46. That would not have happened if Rebekah was not a virgin..
"Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." http://bible.cc/luke/6-22.htm "...Worship Him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.� http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/14-6.... http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/1.htm
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Why do you leave out....Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Didn't He say that? Why yes He did, didn't He? He FUFILLED it on the cross and then said IT IS FINISHED.What I say contradicts YOUR interpretation, that's all and it's easy to do. It's just a silly fairy tale so "he" never "FULFILLED" anything.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>It has EVERYTHING to do with your post you arrogant little twit. Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie."
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Why do you leave out....Matthew 5:17 Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.Didn't He say that? Why yes He did, didn't He? He FUFILLED it on the cross and then said IT IS FINISHED.What I say contradicts YOUR interpretation, that's all and it's easy to do. So in your words he said "I did not come to do away with the law and the prophets but do away with it"? Is that the conclusion you come to. Fulfill- Bring to completion or realitySo he brought the law to completion. Does this mean him adding on (which Moses said no one was to do in deut 4.2)? Why yes, yes it does. What you say does contradict my interpretation. That doesnt mean YOUR interpretation is right. In fact its incorrect lol
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you would read it you would see it.Gills Exposition of the Entire Biblethat he hath done this; wrought this righteousness; so Jarchi; that is, is the author of it; is become the end of the law for it; HAS FINISHED IT; and brought it in; or else all the great things spoken of in this psalm, relating to the Messiah, his sufferings, death, and resurrection, and the calling of the Gentiles; all which are the Lord's doings, and are what is declared in the Gospel: the Targum is, "the miracles which he hath done"; the Septuagint version, and those that follow it, connect this clause with the preceding thus, "to a people that shall be born, whom the Lord hath made"; made them his people, created them in Christ, and formed them for himself. I've read it and do not see what you are speaking of. Which is why I asked "where is it in Psalm 22"? Are you gonna answer or are you gonna play some more dodgeball with my questions like Native.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>Actually He said it in Psalms 22. It is foretelling the death of Christ on the cross. So again, when He said it is finished, THAT closed the Old Testament.You CANNOT keep the law. That is what Christ came for,,He FULFILLED the law. So, if you are trying to keep it you will be judged by it and come up short. A fictional character cannot really fulfill anything.
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie." How do you know God could not become a man? Do you claim to know God exhaustively?
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>A fictional character cannot really fulfill anything. Agreed. The problem is that Jesus was not fictional.
Jeff wrote: <quoted text>How do you know God could not become a man? Do you claim to know God exhaustively? The Almighty can do anything He chooses to.The simple fact is when He came to Abraham He didnt make confusing statements such as Him having a god and a father that was greater than Him. He said that He was God Almighty and that He came to make a great nation out of Abraham. Now (hypothetically since I do not believe Jesus was god) when He came as Jesus He all of a sudden made confusing statements as the ones mentioned above? Do you think He made these statements and STILL expected people to get the idea that He was the Almighty? I dont thinks so which is one of the reasons I doubt Jesus
"And afterward, I will pour out My Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your old men will dream dreams, your young men will see visions." http://bible.cc/joel/2-28.htm http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYrgEi9kHz4
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>How can you say Im repeating something about Nero when I havent said anything of him? Sighs*Muslims do worship a rock. They may say they do not. But they bow down to it and hold reverence toward a thing that cannot move, walk, or talk. Actions speak louder than words https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images... That only shows them bowing toward a spot where Mohammed was supposdly taken up, nothing more.
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>So in your words he said "I did not come to do away with the law and the prophets but do away with it"? Is that the conclusion you come to.Fulfill- Bring to completion or realitySo he brought the law to completion. Does this mean him adding on (which Moses said no one was to do in deut 4.2)? Why yes, yes it does.What you say does contradict my interpretation. That doesnt mean YOUR interpretation is right. In fact its incorrect lol If you can't read plain English then that is your problem, not mine. I showed you PLAINLY where He said He came to FULFILL the law, not to abolish it. You're the one playing games.
-The Star Reborn- wrote: <quoted text>Which has nothing to do with my post. So here, try again:"And so THAT would be your demonic "Jebus".God was not, is not, nor ever could be a physical man-"god". Only a total IDIOT would believe the Jebus lie." You are spiritually dead and clueless.
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>I've read it and do not see what you are speaking of. Which is why I asked "where is it in Psalm 22"? 
Are you gonna answer or are you gonna play some more dodgeball with my questions like Native. If you can read Psalm 22 without seeing the agony of Christ on the cross being prophesied then you have way far more problems than I thought. It even details the soldiers casting lots for His clothes. I am not playing dodgeball with you. It seesm though you are playing dumb. Or, are you playing?
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>The Almighty can do anything He chooses to.The simple fact is when He came to Abraham He didnt make confusing statements such as Him having a god and a father that was greater than Him. He said that He was God Almighty and that He came to make a great nation out of Abraham. Now (hypothetically since I do not believe Jesus was god) when He came as Jesus He all of a sudden made confusing statements as the ones mentioned above? Do you think He made these statements and STILL expected people to get the idea that He was the Almighty? I dont thinks so which is one of the reasons I doubt Jesus When He came as Jesus Christ, He came as the Son of man. He was showing us how to be toward God Almighty. So of course He would call God Father and pray to Him. It is an example to US how to do.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you can't read plain English then that is your problem, not mine. I showed you PLAINLY where He said He came to FULFILL the law, not to abolish it. You're the one playing games. Of course you cant prove what you say is true. 18 For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled. 19 Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I say to you, that unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven.Till heaven and earth pass not one jot or tittle will pass from the law.
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>When He came as Jesus Christ, He came as the Son of man. He was showing us how to be toward God Almighty. So of course He would call God Father and pray to Him. It is an example to US how to do. You mean it wasnt shown how to be towards him till Jesus came? What about Moses, Abraham, David, Noah, and so forth? They didnt provide examples of how to be towards Him? What you're suggesting is like me telling you I am white when Im black. And expecting you to get what I really am instead of what I said. Do you think He is the author of confusion?
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>If you can read Psalm 22 without seeing the agony of Christ on the cross being prophesied then you have way far more problems than I thought. It even details the soldiers casting lots for His clothes.I am not playing dodgeball with you. It seesm though you are playing dumb. Or, are you playing? That was clearly David speaking of himself. Just because NT writers twisted what wasnt a prophecy into one doesnt make it right. You are playing dodgeball. When you dodge responses( though I do not dodge yours) what else are you doing? You've spent time and time responding but when I ask you to support your premise you say you dont have to or i should be evident just by reading it. I do not get how the law was going to be fulfilled by reading Psalm 22. Thats what you said and I ask you where in Psalm 22 is this EVEN HINTED at?
Sola Scriptura wrote: <quoted text>That only shows them bowing toward a spot where Mohammed was supposdly taken up, nothing more. Exodus 20:4-5You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. 5 You shall not bow down to them or worship them; for I, the Lord your God, am a jealous God, punishing the children for the sin of the parents to the third and fourth generation of those who hate me,Isaiah 2:8Their land also is full of idols; they worship the work of their own hands, that which their own fingers have madeSurely you do not think I should go to Mount Sinai where the Almighty appeared to Moses and Israel as a burning fire upon the mountain and then start bowing down to the mountain and kissing it? Showing reverence to the mountain? Of course not that IS IDOL WORSHIP. You bow to and show reverence the Almighty One who always EXISTED. NOTHING ELSE
Flygerian wrote: <quoted text>Genesis 24:43See, I am standing beside this spring; if a maiden (almah) comes out to draw water and I say to her, "Please let me drink a little water from your jar,"Exodus 2:8And Pharaoh's daughter said to her, Go. And the maid (almah) went and called the child's mother.Proverbs 30:19The way of an eagle in the air; the way of a serpent upon a rock; the way of a ship in the midst of the sea; and the way of a man with a maiden (almah).Psalm 68:25The singers went on, the musicians after them, In the midst of the maidens (almah) beating tambourines.What were you saying again? .Please show me how these verses indicate that the Almah is not a virgin? Here is what I said......"The word "almah" is used 7 times in the OT. None of those uses can be ....positively said that it describes a woman who is not a virgin." .While you are pondering that, Rebekah, the Almah in Gen 24:43 was a virgin because Isaac married her in vs. 46. That would not have happened if Rebekah was not a virgin..
"Blessed are you when men hate you, when they exclude you and insult you and reject your name as evil, because of the Son of Man." http://bible.cc/luke/6-22.htm "...Worship Him who made the heavens, the earth, the sea and the springs of water.� http://niv.scripturetext.com/revelation/14-6.... http://niv.scripturetext.com/john/1.htm