Massive Riot In Tottenham London, page 2
I'm not sure what videos everyone else watched but given the ethnic make up of the area you're being deceptive to suggest the turn out was slanted in race.
Of course most people are going to be non-white when most the area is non-white, that's a given. However, there were plenty of white and jewish people present.
You can tell from the thread which people are familiar with Tottenham and which people aren't. A hugely multi-ethnic area with a huge amount of non-whites and therefore that's reflected in the turnout.
When the Irish fight the police do black people come out and say "Herp derp derp, no surprise that it's all white people fighting the police, where are the Africans?"
No, because that would be stupid, as obviously it's just a reflection of area demographics. But I suppose logic and reason aren't a good fit with racism.
posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:49 AM
It's not hard to see a pattern emerging across England with riots and general violence being committed by mainly ethnic minorities and immigrants. The confirmation of certain facts - while they may not be PC - is not Racism.
edit on 7/8/2011 by Dark Ghost because: quoted section I was responding to and clarified post
posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:50 AM
The majority of the west Indian community were born here, they have as much right to be here as you.
Although I despise......and I do mean despise..... abuse of police power this riot was not a worthy cause. It would have been worthy if the 'victim' (using the word loosely) would have been innocent of being a scum bag rooting tooting shooting gang member. I have no problem with the police offing all of these scumbag gangs who cause chaos for innocents on the streets.
How many Irish people go to areas with predominantly Black populations and cause riots there?
edit on 7/8/2011 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)
But you say that as if to suggest these people thought "Lets go to the white people area". That doesn't hold true because if that were the motive of these non-whites then why did we see an abundance of white people walking freely with the rioters and criminals.
Wouldn't these black racists targeting white areas have, you know, attacked white people?
Why do Irish people come to predominately English areas and cause crime and start riots? Herp derp
I didn't mean to imply that the Riots were racially motivated in the sense that White people were the target. Not sure where you got that from, but I changed my reply to reflect what I did mean more clearly anyway.
I apologise but I don't see what you were getting at with your original message, maybe an error in comprehension on my part.
In response to your edit, you again seem to be suggesting racial motivation. Are most riots and trouble over-represented by people who aren't white? Yes, that's probably fair and I don't think many would dispute that. But then is this because of their race, or is it because most "ethnic" people are in poverty.
When you make the statements you make I don't think it's fair to not add some context. Because just making the statement has certain implications without depth or explanation.
You could just as easily say "Everyone can see the trend that most people involved in riots and this sort of trouble are working class". This is a class issue. There's a reason affluent "ethnic" people aren't out in the streets behaving in the same way, with the same grievances and anger.
I could quite easily make a very sound case against Irish and especially Scottish communities in the North of England causing massive trouble, and being criminals and violent thugs. I could, but it wouldn't be fair without context. That context being most these Irish and Scottish communities are in poverty, and the issue is poverty, and with or without these people the "Proper English" working class would behave in much the same way.
And they of course do. Look at Scotland, much more dangerous than most non-white areas of England. White chavs and hoodlums are an absolute menace in Scotland.
I mention this to highlight that it's everything to do with poverty and social deprivation and nothing to do with race or religion.
So your statement that it's one group who do this, it's true but matters nothing. And I'm suspicious as to why you'd make such statements. What's the purpose?
it is if your conclusion is derived from pre-conceptions rather than hard evidence. I don't believe a majority of riots in recent times have been perpetrated by ethnic minorities. I'm struggling to think of any even. The Brixton riots had a large African-Carribean contingent, but the discontent was mostly caused by social neglect under Conservative leadership rather than anything race-based and simply reflected the racial makeup of the area. The same would have happened in a similarly-neglected populace of any demographic, and has happened before.
And "general violence"? That's just ridiculous. What makes you think that?
Massive Riot In Tottenham London, page 2
I'm not sure what videos everyone else watched but given the ethnic make up of the area you're being deceptive to suggest the turn out was slanted in race.
Of course most people are going to be non-white when most the area is non-white, that's a given. However, there were plenty of white and jewish people present.
You can tell from the thread which people are familiar with Tottenham and which people aren't. A hugely multi-ethnic area with a huge amount of non-whites and therefore that's reflected in the turnout.
When the Irish fight the police do black people come out and say "Herp derp derp, no surprise that it's all white people fighting the police, where are the Africans?"
No, because that would be stupid, as obviously it's just a reflection of area demographics. But I suppose logic and reason aren't a good fit with racism.
posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:49 AM
It's not hard to see a pattern emerging across England with riots and general violence being committed by mainly ethnic minorities and immigrants. The confirmation of certain facts - while they may not be PC - is not Racism.
edit on 7/8/2011 by Dark Ghost because: quoted section I was responding to and clarified post
posted on Aug, 7 2011 @ 04:50 AM
The majority of the west Indian community were born here, they have as much right to be here as you.
Although I despise......and I do mean despise..... abuse of police power this riot was not a worthy cause. It would have been worthy if the 'victim' (using the word loosely) would have been innocent of being a scum bag rooting tooting shooting gang member. I have no problem with the police offing all of these scumbag gangs who cause chaos for innocents on the streets.
How many Irish people go to areas with predominantly Black populations and cause riots there?
edit on 7/8/2011 by Dark Ghost because: (no reason given)
But you say that as if to suggest these people thought "Lets go to the white people area". That doesn't hold true because if that were the motive of these non-whites then why did we see an abundance of white people walking freely with the rioters and criminals.
Wouldn't these black racists targeting white areas have, you know, attacked white people?
Why do Irish people come to predominately English areas and cause crime and start riots? Herp derp
I didn't mean to imply that the Riots were racially motivated in the sense that White people were the target. Not sure where you got that from, but
 I changed my reply to reflect what I did mean more clearly anyway.
I apologise but I don't see what you were getting at with your original message, maybe an error in comprehension on my part.
In response to your edit, you again seem to be suggesting racial motivation. Are most riots and trouble over-represented by people who aren't white? Yes, that's probably fair and I don't think many would dispute that. But then is this because of their race, or is it because most "ethnic" people are in poverty.
When you make the statements you make I don't think it's fair to not add some context. Because just making the statement has certain implications without depth or explanation.
You could just as easily say "Everyone can see the trend that most people involved in riots and this sort of trouble are working class". This is a class issue. There's a reason affluent "ethnic" people aren't out in the streets behaving in the same way, with the same grievances and anger.
I could quite easily make a very sound case against Irish and especially Scottish communities in the North of England causing massive trouble, and being criminals and violent thugs. I could, but it wouldn't be fair without context. That context being most these Irish and Scottish communities are in poverty, and the issue is poverty, and with or without these people the "Proper English" working class would behave in much the same way.
And they of course do. Look at Scotland, much more dangerous than most non-white areas of England. White chavs and hoodlums are an absolute menace in Scotland.
I mention this to highlight that it's everything to do with poverty and social deprivation and nothing to do with race or religion.
So your statement that it's one group who do this, it's true but matters nothing. And I'm suspicious as to why you'd make such statements. What's the purpose?
it is if your conclusion is derived from pre-conceptions rather than hard evidence. I don't believe a majority of riots in recent times have been perpetrated by ethnic minorities. I'm struggling to think of any even. The Brixton riots had a large African-Carribean contingent, but the discontent was mostly caused by social neglect under Conservative leadership rather than anything race-based and simply reflected the racial makeup of the area. The same would have happened in a similarly-neglected populace of any demographic, and has happened before.
And "general violence"? That's just ridiculous. What makes you think that?