equality blooms with spring, pt. II - Page 17 - U2 Feedback
11-18-2009, 04:30 PM #241
Load of shite. I implied nothing of the sort. Claiming that gay kids are vastly disproportionately targeted by child abusers is the kind of special pleading that gives the gay rights movement a bad name.
11-18-2009, 04:32 PM #242
A union has all the same benefits and rights of what you call a marriage.
What passed in Washinton State was called everything but the word marriage.
11-18-2009, 04:34 PM #243
go read more carefully.
and, yes, gay kids are more targeted. quiet kids, loner kids, kids who are outsiders and not accepted by peers -- these are often characteristics of gay kids, and they are often the characteristics of children selected and groomed by pedophiles.
i am doing my absolute best to remain calm right now.
11-18-2009, 04:38 PM #244
gay catholics, gay muslims, gay mormons, gay southern baptists are all religious people
they got no shot, zero - of being married within their chosen religion
Make marriage legal and allow the churches to decide what they want to do. There are catholic groups that recognize homosexual relationships, so "zero" is something I don't believe in.
11-18-2009, 04:38 PM #245
As long as the word 'but' remains right after 'everything' then it is not equal.
Furthermore, if that's the case, why not just call it marriage? Or, alternatively, remove the word marriage and refer to all such relationships as 'unions'. I'd support that, as long as we all have the same access to the word 'union'.
And one more thing: what passed in Washington State is legal in that state. But once a gay couple moves to, say, Utah, then they are no longer recognized as 'unioned' and no longer have access to all their benefits. Instead, if I get married with a woman in any state, and move, then my marriage is recognized everywhere.
Separate - but equal.
11-18-2009, 04:41 PM #246
Even if that is true, it is saying that quiet loner kids are disproportionately targeted, not BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY. Correlation does not imply causation, your reasoning is unscientific.
11-18-2009, 04:44 PM #247
and you're talking about topics you know nothing about.
11-18-2009, 04:56 PM #248
You seem to be falling into the exact same type of reasoning error that you accuse homophobes of.
Stating that quiet loner kids are disproportionately targeted does not imply quiet loner kids that are also gay are disproportionately targetted because they are gay.
Similarly, the fact that some gay adults abuse kids does not imply, as homophobes would allege, that pedophilia is exclusively or predominantly a homosexual phenomenon.
11-18-2009, 05:02 PM #249
for the sake of the thread, i'm done with this particular strand.
11-18-2009, 07:46 PM #250
Gay people are here, and are looking for (and deserve) certain rights.
Which ones don't they deserve?
We have to figure out what that means in the larger social context.
You have you figure it it while they wait around for you?
11-18-2009, 07:47 PM #251
11-18-2009, 08:44 PM #252
The democratic process is obnoxious, isn't it?
11-18-2009, 09:21 PM #253
That's what we should have told Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks...
11-18-2009, 09:21 PM #254
Although, I'm still not convinced that anybody needs to wait around for you to get with the program. No one waited around for white guys in the 60s. Weren't almost all of the major civil rights victories court decisions at first? You know, judicial activists deciding that the Constitution really did apply to blacks, whether white guys had thought through the "larger social context" or not?
11-18-2009, 09:22 PM #255
And, as usual, you only answered the question you liked.
equality blooms with spring, pt. II - Page 17 - U2 Feedback
11-18-2009, 04:30 PM #241
Load of shite. I implied nothing of the sort. Claiming that gay kids are vastly disproportionately targeted by child abusers is the kind of special pleading that gives the gay rights movement a bad name.
11-18-2009, 04:32 PM #242
A union has all the same benefits and rights of what you call a marriage.
What passed in Washinton State was called everything but the word marriage.
11-18-2009, 04:34 PM #243
go read more carefully.
and, yes, gay kids are more targeted. quiet kids, loner kids, kids who are outsiders and not accepted by peers -- these are often characteristics of gay kids, and they are often the characteristics of children selected and groomed by pedophiles.
i am doing my absolute best to remain calm right now.
11-18-2009, 04:38 PM #244
gay catholics, gay muslims, gay mormons, gay southern baptists are all religious people
they got no shot, zero - of being married within their chosen religion
Make marriage legal and allow the churches to decide what they want to do. There are catholic groups that recognize homosexual relationships, so "zero" is something I don't believe in.
11-18-2009, 04:38 PM #245
As long as the word 'but' remains right after 'everything' then it is not equal.
Furthermore, if that's the case, why not just call it marriage? Or, alternatively, remove the word marriage and refer to all such relationships as 'unions'. I'd support that, as long as we all have the same access to the word 'union'.
And one more thing: what passed in Washington State is legal in that state. But once a gay couple moves to, say, Utah, then they are no longer recognized as 'unioned' and no longer have access to all their benefits. Instead, if I get married with a woman in any state, and move, then my marriage is recogn
ized everywhere.
Separate - but equal.
11-18-2009, 04:41 PM #246
Even if that is true, it is saying that quiet loner kids are disproportionately targeted, not BECAUSE THEY ARE GAY. Correlation does not imply causation, your reasoning is unscientific.
11-18-2009, 04:44 PM #247
and you're talking about topics you know nothing about.
11-18-2009, 04:56 PM #248
You seem to be falling into the exact same type of reasoning error that you accuse homophobes of.
Stating that quiet loner kids are disproportionately targeted does not imply quiet loner kids that are also gay are disproportionately targetted because they are gay.
Similarly, the fact that some gay adults abuse kids does not imply, as homophobes would allege, that pedophilia is exclusively or predominantly a homosexual phenomenon.
11-18-2009, 05:02 PM #249
for the sake of the thread, i'm done with this particular strand.
11-18-2009, 07:46 PM #250
Gay people are here, and are looking for (and deserve) certain rights.
Which ones don't they deserve?
We have to figure out what that means in the larger social context.
You have you figure it it while they wait around for you?
11-18-2009, 07:47 PM #251
11-18-2009, 08:44 PM #252
The democratic process is obnoxious, isn't it?
11-18-2009, 09:21 PM #253
That's what we should have told Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks...
11-18-2009, 09:21 PM #254
Although, I'm still not convinced that anybody needs to wait around for you to get with the program. No one waited around for white guys in the 60s. Weren't almost all of the major civil rights victories court decisions at first? You know, judicial activists deciding that the Constitution really did apply to blacks, whether white guys had thought through the "larger social context" or not?
11-18-2009, 09:22 PM #255
And, as usual, you only answered the question you liked.