Submitted by LeftWingCracker on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 1:30pm. Phil Bredesen did more to destroy the Tennessee Democratic Party and all that it stood for than any other living human being. He sucked the very life out of it, then undermined those who sought to restore it as more than just warmed-over Blue-Dogism.
Submitted by R. Neal on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 1:32pm. On economic development incentives: "I’ve talked about this for probably a decade-and-a-half now to say if there were some understanding or constitutional prohibition or something like that nationwide that cities couldn’t do that or states couldn’t, that would be great, OK. In the meantime, there isn’t."
Submitted by Andy Axel on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 2:13pm. Seems like the highest elected official in the state should lead their party.
His idea of that was to have the entire state organization fired when the incumbents delivered him his first victory. Normally, people like TNDP Executive Director Barbara Kelly and 2001-2002 TNDP Chair Bill Farmer - who worked 12 hour days for months to elect Bredesen - would have been rewarded with high-level appointments. Randy Button and an entirely new cast of characters came in to turn TNDP into a Bredesen-specific re-elect committee. And now he has the temerity to say that "no man is an island, except maybe me [laughs]" when it comes to his success in 2006. This doesn't even scratch his double-dealings on policy. The TN AFL-CIO, which spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in 2001 on the Bredesen campaign, appears to be rewarded as AFL State Chair Jim Neely lands in the Commissioner's seat at Labor and Workforce Development. Then state labor gets handed the Bredesen-crafted 2004 Workman's Comp bill, as business-friendly a piece of legislation as has ever been laughingly described as "Workman's Comp." Working men & women across the state are still feeling the burn. In terms of investment versus reward, state labor organizations would rightly call this exchange getting a flaming bag of crap on their doorstep as repayment.
So the state party who worked their asses off (only to be fired) and state labor who invested heavily in his first election (only to get screwed in a big way) are being regaled with folksy, self-serving, delusional tales of "I did it my way" as an afterthought. Give me a break, Sinatra. reply
Submitted by Somebody on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 3:11pm. I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.
Submitted by Andy Axel on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 3:18pm. Cute, but Rogers' homespun wisecrack hardly constitutes an excuse on Bredesen's part. reply
Rogers was right Submitted by Average Guy on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 11:50am. Democrats rally around issues, which will always keep them a scattered herd. Republicans go to rallies* and make up their own issues, which reduces, but strengthens their herd. * church, chamber, NRA, etc reply
Submitted by Andy Axel on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 12:46pm. Right, well, leaders lead. I don't see much of a leadership quality in saying, "I basically re-elected myself." Rather, it's utter horseshit. You know one thing that Randy Button could do well? Raise money. You know what he didn't do well? Maintain a statewide infrastructure. That's the guy that Bredesen chose to put in charge at a critical juncture. It's a not-so-minor aspect of any organization, but it's telling to have seen the state of the TNDP's IT/IS infrastructure at the time that Button came along. I wonder if it has improved much or at all since then. (State voter files in the process of being imported into Visual FoxPro 5, at least the ones that weren't on coffee-stained napkins.) Judging by the quality of the website, my guess is "barely keeping pace."
Submitted by Teacher (not verified) on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 11:06am. Phil Bredesen was really a Republican, he just ran as a Democrat. One way he destroyed Metro Schools was by making it so that you did not have to live in Metro to work for Metro government. Now you are hard pressed to find a teacher or other Metro workers that live in the city. As a result, their children are not part of the MNPS pool. They also shop in the counties they live in taking Metro revenue they make and spending it in those counties. reply
Submitted by underthebusdem (not verified) on Thu, 2012/12/13 - 1:33am. Im just wondering exactly how these residency requirements work. So do you have to hold the residence to even get an interview? What about all the other businesses, many of whom who get tax breaks for their businesses to be inside of the nashville area, shouldnt those people have to live inside of nashville, too. Are teachers really metro government employees? Teachers in other parts of the state are not municipal or county government employees. Well done on bashing Bredesen, but this doesnt hold water.
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Submitted by LeftWingCracker on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 1:30pm. Phil Bredesen did more to destroy the Tennessee Democratic Party and all that it stood for than any other living human being. He sucked the very life out of it, then undermined those who sought to restore it as more than just warmed-over Blue-Dogism.
Submitted by R. Neal on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 1:32pm. On economic development incentives: "I’ve talked about this for probably a decade-and-a-half now to say if there were some understanding or constitutional prohibition or something like that nationwide that cities couldn’t do that or states couldn’t, that would be great, OK. In the meantime, there isn’t."
Submitted by Andy Axel on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 2:13pm. Seems like the highest elected official in the state should lead their party.
His idea of that was to have the entire state organization fired when the incumbents delivered him his first victory. Normally, people like TNDP Executive Director Barbara Kelly and 2001-2002 TNDP Chair Bill Farmer - who worked 12 hour days for months to elect Bredesen - would have been rewarded with high-level appointments. Randy Button and an entirely new cast of characters came in to turn TNDP into a Bredesen-specific re-elect committee. And now he has the temerity to say that "no man is an island, except maybe me [laughs]" when it comes to his success in 2006. This doesn't even scratch his double-dealings on policy. The TN AFL-CIO, which spent hundreds of thousands of dollars in 2001 on the Bredesen campaign, appears to be rewarded as AFL State Chair Jim Neely lands in the Commissioner's seat at Labor and Workforce Development. Then state labor gets handed the Bredesen-crafted 2004 Workman's Comp bill, as business-friendly a piece of legislation as has ever been laughingly described as "Workman's Comp." Working men & women across the state are still feeling the burn. In terms of investment versus reward, state labor organizations would rightly call this exchange getting a flaming bag of crap on their doorstep as repayment.
So the state party who worked their asses off (only to be fired) and state labor who invested heavily in his first election (only to get screwed in a big way) are being regaled with folksy, self-serving, delusional tales of "I did it my way" as an afterthought. Give me a break, Sinatra. reply
Submitted by Somebody on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 3:11pm. I am not a member of any organized party — I am a Democrat.
Submitted by Andy Axel on Tue, 2012/12/11 - 3:18pm. Cute, but Rogers' homespun wisecrack hardly constitutes an excuse on Bredesen's part. reply
Rogers was right Submitted by Average Guy on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 11:50am. Democrats rally around issues, which will always keep them a scattered herd. Republicans go to rallies* and make up their own issues, which reduces, but strengthens their herd. * church, chamber, NRA, etc reply
Submitted by Andy Axel on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 12:46pm. Right, well, leaders lead. I don't see much of a leadership quality in saying, "I basically re-elected myself." Rather, it's utter horseshit. You know one thing that Randy Button could do well? Raise money. You know what he didn't do well? Maintain a statewide infrastructure. That's the guy that Bredesen chose to put in charge at a critical juncture. It's a not-so-minor aspect of any organization, but it's telling to have seen the state of the TNDP's IT/IS infrastructure at the time that Button came along. I wonder if it has improved much or at all since then. (State voter files in the process of being imported into Visual FoxPro 5, at least the ones that weren't on coffee-stained napkins.) Judging by the quality of the website, my guess is "barely keeping pace."
Submitted by Teacher (not verified) on Wed, 2012/12/12 - 11:06am. Phil Bredesen was really a Republican, he just ran as a Democrat. One way he destroyed Metro Schools was by making it so that you did not have to live in Metro to work for Metro government. Now you are hard pressed to find a teacher or other Metro workers that live in the city. As a result, their children are not part of the MNPS pool. They also shop in the counties they live in taking Metro revenue they make and spending it in those counties. reply
Submitted by underthebusdem (not verified) on Thu, 2012/12/13 - 1:33am. Im just wondering exactly how these residency requirements work. So do you have to hold the residence to even get an interview? What about all the other businesses, many of whom who get tax breaks for their businesses to be inside of the nashville area, shouldnt those people have to live inside of nashville, too. Are teachers really metro government employees? Teachers in other parts of the state are not municipal or county government employees. Well done on bashing Bredesen, but this doesnt hold water.
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