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Mike Westhoff is full of sh.....
Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by WVDolphan, Dec 15, 2010.
Check this out from PFT. Dosent Westhoff just seem to ramble in seemingly a guilty manner? Just from reading the transcript, he seems very uncomfortable giving answers.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cuses-patriots-of-building-sideline-wall-too/
But, specifically check out this one very telling statement........
The first thing that jumps out is that the last line, which I bolded, is a complete contradiction from what he was just saying. He never really looked at anyone's sideline? Well even if he hadnt just spent 3 or 4 sentences talking about New England building a wall on the sideline, is he really trying to tell us that a special teams coach never looked at a sideline in decades of coaching? Get real. But, the fact he just spoke about another teams sideline tells you without a doubt that he has looked at their sideline.
So why did he lie like that in the bolded line? I will tell you why. He just started rambling because he was extremely uncomfortable. Notice how he was redundant when he says "I dont know. I really dont know." Thats a sure sign someone is bull****ting you. He wanted to appear that he was being honest by talking a lot. And why did he want to do that? Why did he feel uncomfortable? Because he has something to hide. Thats why.
WVDolphan, Dec 15, 2010
Bit of speculation. But pretty reasonable really. Everything you said I tend to agree with. Can't be sure your right, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Ricky_Fan34, Dec 15, 2010
let me break this down barney style for those who don't feel like reading...
Wildbill3, Dec 15, 2010
honestly, i never liked this ****in piece of **** westhoff. i officialy couldnt stand him when the day after we fired our special teams coach, rather than worrying about his own team, hes commenting on who was at fault on our team. like honestly, shut the **** up u piece of ****. hes prob still feeling the effects of having ted ginns 2 most memorable touchdowns in his nfl career both come against his ''great'' special teams unit.
i agree, something is fishy here, and i wouldnt be surprised if ryan was involved also. u honestly want to tell me that the head coach had no clue what was going on?
Ilovemyfins4eva, Dec 15, 2010
"The lady doth protest too much" - "Hamlet," Shakespeare
Vaark, Dec 15, 2010
Just saw this on Yahoo Sports. Which we knew all along, but slowly it is all going to come out. Why do you think the jerts went so swiftly to handle the discipline in-house?
“Jets coach Sal Alosi's devious act was not a coincidence”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jets-coach-Sal-Alosi-s-devious-act-was-not-a-coi?urn=nfl-296526
FINOMINAL, Dec 15, 2010
What got me was "the other teams do it."
Did Westhoff not get his juice and a nap after recess? :lol:
utahphinsfan, Dec 15, 2010
Don't you mean something is rotten in the Meadowlands and its not Fireman Ed's pits?
I don't have a problem with the wall, if it's formed out of bounds.
People are allowed to stand on their sidelines.
I only have a problem with intentional tripping, punching, clothesline, etc.
normaldude, Dec 15, 2010
Because, uh, hello? Westhoff is probably the man who gave the orders. I can hear it now "Alright next time that little piece of **** goes up the sidelines, build a great wall of New York and we'll see if he does that **** again" and Alosi took it too far and kneegate happens. **** Westhoff, **** Alosi, and **** the Jests.
finnns2000, Dec 15, 2010
The worst part in all this is you know the NFL isn't going to do a damned thing about it..
SRM, Dec 15, 2010
You've got six guys lined up shoulder to shoulder in formation down the line, just a coincidence? If you look at the replay from the kickoff, you can see the gang of green already in position at the 35 yard line, and nowhere else is anybody standing like that. This starts with Rex, come on, man!
So here we have an NFL Coaching staff who was caught cheating, and now this, and they're all in our division and really nothing was done about it.
Players should be at least 4-5' away from the sidelines.
Didn't Woody Hayes do something like this....?
And think about it, what if they return the ball for a TD..?
No flag or unsportsmanlike conduct was called on this b.s. planned act.
It's just uncalled for.
dolphans1, Dec 15, 2010
No... Woody Hayes went out ON the field and started choking the sh*t out of a college kid..
TedSlimmJr, Dec 15, 2010
GasPed Well-Known Member
I actually heard the audio on the Brian Kenny show this afternoon, and the tone of what he was saying seemed to imply that it was after this incident that he went back and took a look at tapes of both his own team's and other teams' sidelines... That's not to say he's not lying (I'm still not sure I trust him), but it did seem a little more credible on the audio.
GasPed, Dec 15, 2010
westhoff knew about it and so did rex ryan...rex ordered the damn thing...i guarantee it
all these other teams doing things to get advantages sure would be nice if i read one time that our staff was smart enough to pull something off...not trip someone but do something to give us an advantage instead of setting us back to the stone ages with the playcalling and the conservative offensive philosophy
the only thing these guys have given us is the wildcat and chad pennington for 2 years past their shelf lifes...
hoops, Dec 15, 2010
Interestingly, Westhoff (on the Kenny show) also said that it was he who called up Zach Thomas after Zach made the comments about the wall. He said "Yeah, I called up Zach - he and I are friends, and I talked to him about what he meant by his comments. Then I went back and looked at the tapes, and started doing some digging..." That's not an exact quote but they were words to that effect. The implication was that he and Rex knew nothing and that Alosi deserved to be thrown under the bus... ...no surprise there.
that guy didn't get fired cause rex ordered the damn thing...and i'm sure westhoff knew it or approached rex about doing it...i bet you they're reimbursing his salary loss and the fine from the nfl under the table also...
this none of the other coaching staff knew about it stuff is baloney
I agree - having six guys standing in formation right next to the sideline on the punt play without one other coach knowing about it is very hard to believe...
I give Zach Thomas ALL the credit for exposing those creeps called the New York Jets. That strength coach should be fired and if it is discovered that Westoff knew about it, he should be suspended by the league for a year. And where is the Players Association on all of this?
phinking, Dec 15, 2010
thats a good point about the players association...a guy gets tripped and could have ended his livelihood in pro football because of some clowns act and the nfl players association who will argue any players losing his pay for conduct detrimental to the league to the 9th degree etc is no where to be found on this issue...
I just watched my younger sister and her class preform this. Well said my friend..
dolfan_101, Dec 16, 2010
Thats the only reason the Jests suspended him. They knew the players union would be all over their ***. Just like a previous poster said, they present it as suspension without pay, but you know damn well he is getting his full benefit under the table. Hell, they are probably giving him a little extra for having to be the fall guy and not blowing the whistle on the whole thing.
What finns2000 said as a potential quote from Westhoff and how it went down, is almost exactly what I was going to post as a hypothetical. Sounds just like him. Only when I was going to do it, I was going to suggest it ended with "and if that little son of a ***** gets too close to you guys then knock his *** back out onto the field where he belongs."
So I guarentee they told this S&C coach dude "Look man, youre going to take a ton of heat for this as it has blown up in our faces. Just say the right things and dont blow the whistle. So long as you do that we promise we will take care of you financially and this will blow over before long. You will be back here with us next season and everything will be fine."
WVDolphan, Dec 16, 2010
Jests are garbage playing in New Jersey but called New York. Giants shouldn't want to share a stadium with a 2nd rate team. Giants play in the Meadowlands while Jets play in the Ghettolands.
Dolph N.Fan, Dec 16, 2010
I would guess he learned it from all his years in Miami?
nyjunc, Dec 16, 2010
If Wrecks didn't know about it as he claimed, standing about 3ft away from a wall of one jersey guido and a wall of illegally positioned inactive players then he's either a liar or a moron (not that I'm discounting that for him they're mutuall exclusive).
Vaark, Dec 16, 2010
hoops, Dec 16, 2010
ha ha...vaark with the "jersey guido" reference
aw. it must break your heart that your team which was on the fast track to superbowl greatness is now the center of a ****storm.
Wildbill3, Dec 16, 2010
I never said we were going to the SB but I do know we still have a chance unlike your team.
You can argue with me until your blue in the face the jets have no chance to win in Foxboro. The Jets and Dolphins have no chance at making the Super Bowl. If the jets make it to Foxboro they will be humiliated again.
DolfanISS, Dec 16, 2010
i'm reminded of a line from the wizard of oz after the witch dies in reference to the jets chances this year...
"ding dong the jets are dead...ding dong the crappy jets are dead"
we had no chance last year either and there we were w/ a lead w/ less than 30 mins to play. You never know, things change quickly in this league. As quick as it has gotten bad it can turn around. I know we have the talent to compete, we'll see what happens.
It's very sad that supposed dolphin fans are happier when the Jets lose than when the dolphins win.
It's the same thing with you over and over again. There was no team in the 2009 playoffs with a QB playing like Brady is right now. Cincinnati, SD and Indy is not Foxboro. Besides who said you had no chance last year? Not me. I liked your chances going up against failing Cincy and a perennial choker in SD I also like the 5th and 6th seeds chances to get to the divisional game this year as Indy, Jacksonville, KC or SD aren't all that strong. Keep telling yourself you have a chance we both know us finheaveners have a much better shot about being right about this one.
As far as being happier about a Jets loss then a Dolphins win, false. But at least we hit the double this past week. The Jets will likely strengthen the arguement by laying an egg in Pittsburgh Sunday. It's OK Juncy maybe they will score a TD this week, baby steps.
Aw still cranky? I would be too if my favorite team was a buncha cheaters.
Huh? Indy was undefeated until the last 2 weeks and manning was playing at an incredibly high level, maybe the highest of his career. In the div rd we faced SD who had won 11 straight and Rivers was playing about as well as he ever has. I'm not saying we are going on a run but to dismiss us is foolish.
If we score a TD we win, we are undefeated when scoring a TD
Nah, I just wish my team was 7-6, led the league in arrests and had a GM who asked potential draftees if their mothers are prostitutes- oh and I wish we had "celebrity" owners who urinate on themselves and also that we had a nightclub in our stadium to distract from the awful football.
im pretty sure we dont lead the league in arrests. doesnt tampa?
Ilovemyfins4eva, Dec 16, 2010
at least our team isn't trying to injure players on the sidelines. all that other stuff is off the field issues.
Well I'm going to be foolish and dismiss it. I don't recall exactly how well manning was playing last year but I don;t think it was 19 TD's and 0 picks over 5 games. You always like to talk playoffs right? Well then SD could win 16 in a row and I would still expect them to choke in the playoffs becuase that's what they do under Norv Turner. How many times have they been the offseason favorite and how many Super Bowls have they appeared in?
happier when the jets lose than when the dolphins win??? nahhh...i was happy as heck when we went into your stadium and kicked your arse sunday...got the best of both worlds
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Mike Westhoff is full of sh.....
Discussion in 'Miami Dolphins Forum' started by WVDolphan, Dec 15, 2010.
Check this out from PFT. Dosent Westhoff just seem to ramble in seemingly a guilty manner? Just from reading the transcript, he seems very uncomfortable giving answers.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...cuses-patriots-of-building-sideline-wall-too/
But, specifically check out this one very telling statement........
The first thing that jumps out is that the last line, which I bolded, is a complete contradiction from what he was just saying. He never really looked at anyone's sideline? Well even if he hadnt just spent 3 or 4 sentences talking about New England building a wall on the sideline, is he really trying to tell us that a special teams coach never looked at a sideline in decades of coaching? Get real. But, the fact he just spoke about another teams sideline tells you without a doubt that he has looked at their sideline.
So why did he lie like that in the bolded line? I will tell you why. He just started rambling because he was extremely uncomfortable. Notice how he was redundant when he says "I dont know. I really dont know." Thats a sure sign someone is bull****ting you. He wanted to appear that he was being honest by talking a lot. And why did he want to do that? Why did he feel uncomfortable? Because he has something to hide. Thats why.
WVDolphan, Dec 15, 2010
Bit of speculation. But pretty reasonable really. Everything you said I tend to agree with. Can't be sure your right, but it certainly isn't out of the realm of possibility.
Ricky_Fan34, Dec 15, 2010
let me break this down barney style for those who don't feel like reading...
Wildbill3, Dec 15, 2010
honestly, i never liked this ****in piece of **** westhoff. i officialy couldnt stand him when the day after we fired our special teams coach, rather than worrying about his own team, hes commenting on who was at fault on our team. like honestly, shut the **** up u piece of ****. hes prob still feeling the effects of having ted ginns 2 most memorable touchdowns in his nfl career both come against his ''great'' special teams unit.
i agree, something is fishy here, and i wouldnt be surprised if ryan was involved also. u honestly want to tell me that the head coach had no clue what was going on?
Ilovemyfins4eva, Dec 15, 2010
"The lady doth protest too much" - "Hamlet," Shakespeare
Vaark, Dec 15, 2010
Just saw this on Yahoo Sports. Which we knew all along, but slowly it is all going to come out. Why do you think the jerts went so swiftly to handle the discipline in-house?
“Jets coach Sal Alosi's devious act was not a coincidence”
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Jets-coach-Sal-Alosi-s-devious-act-was-not-a-coi?urn=nfl-296526
FINOMINAL, Dec 15, 2010
What got me was "the other teams do it."
Did Westhoff not get his juice and a nap after recess? :lol:
utahphinsfan, Dec 15, 2010
Don't you mean something is rotten in the Meadowlands and its not Fireman Ed's pits?
I don't have a problem with the wall, if it's formed out of bounds.
People are allowed to stand on their sidelines.
I only have a problem with intentional tripping, punching, clothesline, etc.
normaldude, Dec 15, 2010
Because, uh, hello? Westhoff is probably the man who gave the orders. I can hear it now "Alright next time that little piece of **** goes up the sidelines, build a great wall of New York and we'll see if he does that **** again" and Alosi took it too far and kneegate happens. **** Westhoff, **** Alosi, and **** the Jests.
finnns2000, Dec 15, 2010
The worst part in all this is you know the NFL isn't going to do a damned thing about it..
SRM, Dec 15, 2010
You've got six guys lined up shoulder to shoulder in formation down the line, just a coincidence? If you look at the replay from the kickoff, you can see the gang of green already in position at the 35 yard line, and nowhere else is anybody standing like that. This starts with Rex, come on, man!
So here we have an NFL Coaching staff who was caught cheating, and now this, and they're all in our division and really nothing was done about it.
Players should be at least 4-5' away from the sidelines.
Didn't Woody Hayes do something like this....?
And think about it, what if they return the ball for a TD..?
No flag or unsportsmanlike conduct was called on this b.s. planned act.
It's just uncalled for.
dolphans1, Dec 15, 2010
No... Woody Hayes went out ON the field and started choking the sh*t out of a college kid..
TedSlimmJr, Dec 15, 2010
GasPed Well-Known Member
I actually heard the audio on the Brian Kenny show this afternoon, and the tone of what he was saying seemed to imply that it was after this incident that he went back and took a look at tapes of both his own team's and other teams' sidelines... That's not to say he's not lying (I'm still not sure I trust him), but it did seem a little more credible on the audio.
GasPed, Dec 15, 2010
westhoff knew about it and so did rex ryan...rex ordered the damn thing...i guarantee it
all these other teams doing things to get advantages sure would be nice if i read one time that our staff was smart enough to pull something off...not trip someone but do something to give us an advantage instead of setting us back to the stone ages with the playcalling and the conservative offensive philosophy
the only thing these guys have given us is the wildcat and chad pennington for 2 years past their shelf lifes...
hoops, Dec 15, 2010
Interestingly, Westhoff (on the Kenny show) also said that it was he who called up Zach Thomas after Zach made the comments about the wall. He said "Yeah, I called up Zach - he and I are friends, and I talked to him about what he meant by his comments. Then I went back and looked at the tapes, and started doing some digging..." That's not an exact quote but they were words to that effect. The implication was that he and Rex knew nothing and that Alosi deserved to be thrown under the bus... ...no surprise there.
that guy didn't get fired cause rex ordered the damn thing...and i'm sure westhoff knew it or approached rex about doing it...i bet you they're reimburs
ing his salary loss and the fine from the nfl under the table also...
this none of the other coaching staff knew about it stuff is baloney
I agree - having six guys standing in formation right next to the sideline on the punt play without one other coach knowing about it is very hard to believe...
I give Zach Thomas ALL the credit for exposing those creeps called the New York Jets. That strength coach should be fired and if it is discovered that Westoff knew about it, he should be suspended by the league for a year. And where is the Players Association on all of this?
phinking, Dec 15, 2010
thats a good point about the players association...a guy gets tripped and could have ended his livelihood in pro football because of some clowns act and the nfl players association who will argue any players losing his pay for conduct detrimental to the league to the 9th degree etc is no where to be found on this issue...
I just watched my younger sister and her class preform this. Well said my friend..
dolfan_101, Dec 16, 2010
Thats the only reason the Jests suspended him. They knew the players union would be all over their ***. Just like a previous poster said, they present it as suspension without pay, but you know damn well he is getting his full benefit under the table. Hell, they are probably giving him a little extra for having to be the fall guy and not blowing the whistle on the whole thing.
What finns2000 said as a potential quote from Westhoff and how it went down, is almost exactly what I was going to post as a hypothetical. Sounds just like him. Only when I was going to do it, I was going to suggest it ended with "and if that little son of a ***** gets too close to you guys then knock his *** back out onto the field where he belongs."
So I guarentee they told this S&C coach dude "Look man, youre going to take a ton of heat for this as it has blown up in our faces. Just say the right things and dont blow the whistle. So long as you do that we promise we will take care of you financially and this will blow over before long. You will be back here with us next season and everything will be fine."
WVDolphan, Dec 16, 2010
Jests are garbage playing in New Jersey but called New York. Giants shouldn't want to share a stadium with a 2nd rate team. Giants play in the Meadowlands while Jets play in the Ghettolands.
Dolph N.Fan, Dec 16, 2010
I would guess he learned it from all his years in Miami?
nyjunc, Dec 16, 2010
If Wrecks didn't know about it as he claimed, standing about 3ft away from a wall of one jersey guido and a wall of illegally positioned inactive players then he's either a liar or a moron (not that I'm discounting that for him they're mutuall exclusive).
Vaark, Dec 16, 2010
hoops, Dec 16, 2010
ha ha...vaark with the "jersey guido" reference
aw. it must break your heart that your team which was on the fast track to superbowl greatness is now the center of a ****storm.
Wildbill3, Dec 16, 2010
I never said we were going to the SB but I do know we still have a chance unlike your team.
You can argue with me until your blue in the face the jets have no chance to win in Foxboro. The Jets and Dolphins have no chance at making the Super Bowl. If the jets make it to Foxboro they will be humiliated again.
DolfanISS, Dec 16, 2010
i'm reminded of a line from the wizard of oz after the witch dies in reference to the jets chances this year...
"ding dong the jets are dead...ding dong the crappy jets are dead"
we had no chance last year either and there we were w/ a lead w/ less than 30 mins to play. You never know, things change quickly in this league. As quick as it has gotten bad it can turn around. I know we have the talent to compete, we'll see what happens.
It's very sad that supposed dolphin fans are happier when the Jets lose than when the dolphins win.
It's the same thing with you over and over again. There was no team in the 2009 playoffs with a QB playing like Brady is right now. Cincinnati, SD and Indy is not Foxboro. Besides who said you had no chance last year? Not me. I liked your chances going up against failing Cincy and a perennial choker in SD I also like the 5th and 6th seeds chances to get to the divisional game this year as Indy, Jacksonville, KC or SD aren't all that strong. Keep telling yourself you have a chance we both know us finheaveners have a much better shot about being right about this one.
As far as being happier about a Jets loss then a Dolphins win, false. But at least we hit the double this past week. The Jets will likely strengthen the arguement by laying an egg in Pittsburgh Sunday. It's OK Juncy maybe they will score a TD this week, baby steps.
Aw still cranky? I would be too if my favorite team was a buncha cheaters.
Huh? Indy was undefeated until the last 2 weeks and manning was playing at an incredibly high level, maybe the highest of his career. In the div rd we faced SD who had won 11 straight and Rivers was playing about as well as he ever has. I'm not saying we are going on a run but to dismiss us is foolish.
If we score a TD we win, we are undefeated when scoring a TD
Nah, I just wish my team was 7-6, led the league in arrests and had a GM who asked potential draftees if their mothers are prostitutes- oh and I wish we had "celebrity" owners who urinate on themselves and also that we had a nightclub in our stadium to distract from the awful football.
im pretty sure we dont lead the league in arrests. doesnt tampa?
Ilovemyfins4eva, Dec 16, 2010
at least our team isn't trying to injure players on the sidelines. all that other stuff is off the field issues.
Well I'm going to be foolish and dismiss it. I don't recall exactly how well manning was playing last year but I don;t think it was 19 TD's and 0 picks over 5 games. You always like to talk playoffs right? Well then SD could win 16 in a row and I would still expect them to choke in the playoffs becuase that's what they do under Norv Turner. How many times have they been the offseason favorite and how many Super Bowls have they appeared in?
happier when the jets lose than when the dolphins win??? nahhh...i was happy as heck when we went into your stadium and kicked your arse sunday...got the best of both worlds