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Ashkenazi racial identity without Judaism
02-02-2003, 05:44 AM #1
I'm interested as to whether Ashkenazim could continue to be a cohesive race with "Judaic" memes purged from their mind.
It would be far easier to deal with Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Hasidic people rather than this nebulous "Jewishness" and its associated historical baggage.
For some reason, i have this urge to help preserve the Ashkenazi race, but i wonder how far it would get as a race without the religious elements.
Aryans are defined on mostly just physical characteristics, we don't have a religion to fall back on. Perhaps that explains why we're so open to the "whites don't exist" mode of reasoning?
02-02-2003, 06:53 AM #2
Pretty much true. Without their religion, and absent anti-semitism, jews assimilate.
I woiuld argue that the emergence of tribe-defining religions is an evolutionary *response* to living in a multi-ethnic society.
It did not happen in the north, because the population was low and not migratory, but it did happen in the more densely populated and nomadic south.
You could argue we are 2000 years behind them in social evolution.
We have to leagfrog this, and build one or more tribe-defining *memes*.
02-02-2003, 08:55 AM #3
JJT: We have to leagfrog this, and build one or more tribe-defining *memes*.
I second this. There is no more powerful mythological force than religion. Even Jewish Hollywood, (the West's most dominant myth-makers), has trouble manipulating completely Christians.
02-02-2003, 11:27 AM #4
good post jjt
02-02-2003, 11:35 AM #5
Re: Ashkenazi racial identity without Judaism
Sorry but if they don't care about us and think we are equals to negroes, we shouldn't care about them. Right now they are the enemy and our main problem, if they see themselves as jews first, rather than Whites then they should be treated as such.
02-03-2003, 04:21 AM #6
I wonder on what basis these tribal memes would be constructed, jjt?
All we have connecting us is european culture, physical characteristics and common ancestry. While these are strong cohesive group traits, it obviously isn't enough to stop our brainwashing and decline.
I'm bafflled as to what a widespread uniquely Aryan racial faith would be like, i guess the answer is to go back to our roots and look at the ways of the ancestors.
We are a people disposessed of much of our culture and heritage, and this is a hard thing to reclaim. The cultural renaissance we require seems almost impossible, and i despair when i consider how difficult it would be.
We need fresh ideas & a new approach, i think.
02-03-2003, 05:54 AM #7
A jew wrote "The Thirteenth Tribe." If you ask me, the role of khazar conversion is overstated. This notion that jews are two separate groups lends credence to the idea that judaism is just a relgion. They want you to think that arab-like peoples (sephardics) and central asian people (ashkenazis) both practice the same religion.
The fact of the matter is that parasitic behavior was common in ancient hebrews and in modern ashkenazis. The behavior of the ashkenazi jews in Russia during the bolshevik revolution is strikingly similar to the behavior of the ancient hebrews, both pre-and post-diaspora. Blood tests also reveal that sephardics and ashkenazis are close relatives.
This is what I think: one group of diaspora jews went west into northern africa, another went east, and yet another went north. The first two groups (sephardics) had contact with other semitic peoples in the middle east and africa and thus retained their original look. The last group mixed with central asian tribesmen (khazars), converted them, and their descendants mixed with whites. According to VNN, there were only 4000 khazar tribesmen. The bottomline is that there is a set of genes that code for parasitic behavior in all racial jews, ashkenazi or sephardic, because they all are of hebrew descent. A slightly different possibility is that the ashkenazi are purely khazar, BUT the khazars were one of the lost tribes of israel from the babylonian conquest (circa 500 B.C.)
1) Are jews two different ethnic groups (ignoring ethiopian jews and other small scale conversions), and thus the source of their misbehavior is solely cultural?
2) Are jews one ethnic group that has absorbed varying amounts of different races, and thus the source of their misbehavior is genetic?
To me, the second possibility makes much more sense. I think the jew who wrote that book has deceived alot of WNs. Hitler spoke of jews as a biological menace, and today this khazar issue has led many WNs to miss the biological aspect of the jewish menace.
Last edited by Senator Joseph McCarthy; 02-03-2003 at 05:13 PM.
02-03-2003, 06:17 PM #8
Good post, Senator. I have wondered about the same thing. I'd like to hear an authoritative WN opinion on this, rather than trying to piece things together from the various Jewish writers/researchers.
I tend to agree with choice #2.
02-03-2003, 06:37 PM #9
The look of a Jew is decieving. It doesn't matter if the jew has black skin, white skin, or brown middle eastern skin, they are very closely related genetically.
"Author: Kobyliansky E, Micle S, Goldschmidt-Nathan M, Aren
Filed: 9/28/2002, 6:10:24 PM
Source: Pub-Med
In six Jewish populations from Eastern, Central and Southern Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and Yemen, the frequencies of 30 genes from 13 loci were determined. The calculation of genetic distances between these populations as well as a cluster analysis were done. The gene frequencies of these six populations were computed together with those of 19 other Jewish populations of diverse countries described in the literature. Of the 19 populations, 22 alleles from 10 loci were checked. Gene frequencies in autochthonous, non-Jewish populations from these countries were also computed. All Jewish populations except Yemenites are concentrated in the same cluster, being closer one to another than to any of the non-Jewish groups. A similar picture is obtained when Jewish and non-Jewish populations from 19 countries are subjected to cluster analysis. The differences between the Jewish populations generally tend to bring them closer to the corresponding non-Jewish groups. The present data suggest that these differences cannot always be explained by admixture; other factors such as the effect of convergent adaptive processes must be considered."
http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/...D=426922023296
Author: Karlin S, Kenett R, Bonne-Tamir B.
Filed: 9/28/2002, 6:09:04 PM
Results and interpretations of heterogeneity indices and distance measures with respect to standards.
"A nonparametric statistical methodology is used for the analysis of biochemical frequency data observed on a series of nine Jewish and six non-Jewish populations. Two categories of statistics are used: heterogeneity indices and various distance measures with respect to a standard. The latter are more discriminating in exploiting historical, geographical and culturally relevant information. A number of partial orderings and distance relationships among the populations are determined. Our concern in this study is to analyze similarities and differences among the Jewish populations, in terms of the gene frequency distributions for a number of genetic markers. Typical questions discussed are as follows: These Jewish populations differ in certain morphological and anthropometric traits. Are there corresponding differences in biochemical genetic constitution? How can we assess the extent of heterogeneity between and within groupings? Which class of markers (blood typings or protein loci) discriminates better among the separate populations? The results are quite surprising. For example, we found the Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Iraqi Jewish populations to be consistently close in genetic constitution and distant from all the other populations, namely the Yemenite and Cochin Jews, the Arabs, and the non-Jewish German and Russian populations. We found the Polish Jewish community the most heterogeneous among all Jewish populations. The blood loci discriminate better than the protein loci. A number of possible interpretations and hypotheses for these and other results are offered. The method devised for this analysis should prove useful in studying similarities and differences for other groups of populations for which substantial biochemical polymorphic data are available."
http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/...D=745357692241
Ashkenazi racial identity without Judaism - Stormfront
Ashkenazi racial identity without Judaism
02-02-2003, 05:44 AM #1
I'm interested as to whether Ashkenazim could continue to be a cohesive race with "Judaic" memes purged from their mind.
It would be far easier to deal with Ashkenazi, Sephardic, Hasidic people rather than this nebulous "Jewishness" and its associated historical baggage.
For some reason, i have this urge to help preserve the Ashkenazi race, but i wonder how far it would get as a race without the religious elements.
Aryans are defined on mostly just physical characteristics, we don't have a religion to fall back on. Perhaps that explains why we're so open to the "whites don't exist" mode of reasoning?
02-02-2003, 06:53 AM #2
Pretty much true. Without their religion, and absent anti-semitism, jews assimilate.
I woiuld argue that the emergence of tribe-defining religions is an evolutionary *response* to living in a multi-ethnic society.
It did not happen in the north, because the population was low and not migratory, but it did happen in the more densely populated and nomadic south.
You could argue we are 2000 years behind them in social evolution.
We have to leagfrog this, and build one or more tribe-defining *memes*.
02-02-2003, 08:55 AM #3
JJT: We have to leagfrog this, and build one or more tribe-defining *memes*.
I second this. There is no more powerful mythological force than religion. Even Jewish Hollywood, (the West's most dominant myth-makers), has trouble manipulating completely Christians.
02-02-2003, 11:27 AM #4
good post jjt
02-02-2003, 11:35 AM #5
Re: Ashkenazi racial identity without Judaism
Sorry but if they don't care about us and think we are equals to negroes, we shouldn't care about them. Right now they are the enemy and our main problem, if they see themselves as jews first, rather than Whites then they should be treated as such.
02-03-2003, 04:21 AM #6
I wonder on what basis these tribal memes would be constructed, jjt?
All we have connecting us is european culture, physical characteristics and common ancestry. While these are strong cohesive group traits, it obviously isn't enough to stop our brainwashing and decline.
I'm bafflled as to what a widespread uniquely Aryan racial faith would be like, i guess the answer is to go back to our roots and look at the ways of the ancestors.
We are a people disposessed of much of our culture and heritage, and this is a hard thing to reclaim. The cultural renaissance we require seems almost impossible, and i despair when i consider how difficult it would be.
We need fresh ideas & a new approach, i think.
02-03-2003, 05:54 AM #7
A jew wrote "The Thirteenth Tribe." If you ask me, the role of khazar conversion is overstated. This notion that jews are two separate groups lends credence to the idea that judaism is just a relgion. They want you to think that arab-like peoples (sephardics) and central asian people (ashkenazis) both practice the same religion.
The fact of the matter is that parasitic behavior was common in ancient hebrews and in modern ashkenazis. The behavior of the ashkenazi jews in Russia during the bolshevik revolution is strikingly similar to the behavior of the ancient hebrews, both pre-and post-diaspora. Blood tests also reveal that sephardics and ashkenazis are close relatives.
This is what I think: one group of diaspora jews went west into northern africa, another went east, and yet another went north. The first two groups (sephardics) had contact with other semitic peoples in the middle east and africa and thus retained their original look. The last group mixed with central asian tribesmen (khazars), converted them, and their descendants mixed with whites. According to VNN, there were only 4000 khazar tribesmen. The bottomline is that there is a set of genes that code for parasitic behavior in all racial jews, ashkenazi or sephardic, because they all are of hebrew descent. A slightly different possibility is that the ashkenazi are purely khazar, BUT the khazars were one of the lost tribes of israel from the babylonian conquest (circa 500 B.C.)
1) Are jews two different ethnic groups (ignoring ethiopian jews and other small scale conversions), and thus the source of their misbehavior
 is solely cultural?
2) Are jews one ethnic group that has absorbed varying amounts of different races, and thus the source of their misbehavior is genetic?
To me, the second possibility makes much more sense. I think the jew who wrote that book has deceived alot of WNs. Hitler spoke of jews as a biological menace, and today this khazar issue has led many WNs to miss the biological aspect of the jewish menace.
Last edited by Senator Joseph McCarthy; 02-03-2003 at 05:13 PM.
02-03-2003, 06:17 PM #8
Good post, Senator. I have wondered about the same thing. I'd like to hear an authoritative WN opinion on this, rather than trying to piece things together from the various Jewish writers/researchers.
I tend to agree with choice #2.
02-03-2003, 06:37 PM #9
The look of a Jew is decieving. It doesn't matter if the jew has black skin, white skin, or brown middle eastern skin, they are very closely related genetically.
"Author: Kobyliansky E, Micle S, Goldschmidt-Nathan M, Aren
Filed: 9/28/2002, 6:10:24 PM
Source: Pub-Med
In six Jewish populations from Eastern, Central and Southern Europe, the Middle East, North Africa and Yemen, the frequencies of 30 genes from 13 loci were determined. The calculation of genetic distances between these populations as well as a cluster analysis were done. The gene frequencies of these six populations were computed together with those of 19 other Jewish populations of diverse countries described in the literature. Of the 19 populations, 22 alleles from 10 loci were checked. Gene frequencies in autochthonous, non-Jewish populations from these countries were also computed. All Jewish populations except Yemenites are concentrated in the same cluster, being closer one to another than to any of the non-Jewish groups. A similar picture is obtained when Jewish and non-Jewish populations from 19 countries are subjected to cluster analysis. The differences between the Jewish populations generally tend to bring them closer to the corresponding non-Jewish groups. The present data suggest that these differences cannot always be explained by admixture; other factors such as the effect of convergent adaptive processes must be considered."
http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/...D=426922023296
Author: Karlin S, Kenett R, Bonne-Tamir B.
Filed: 9/28/2002, 6:09:04 PM
Results and interpretations of heterogeneity indices and distance measures with respect to standards.
"A nonparametric statistical methodology is used for the analysis of biochemical frequency data observed on a series of nine Jewish and six non-Jewish populations. Two categories of statistics are used: heterogeneity indices and various distance measures with respect to a standard. The latter are more discriminating in exploiting historical, geographical and culturally relevant information. A number of partial orderings and distance relationships among the populations are determined. Our concern in this study is to analyze similarities and differences among the Jewish populations, in terms of the gene frequency distributions for a number of genetic markers. Typical questions discussed are as follows: These Jewish populations differ in certain morphological and anthropometric traits. Are there corresponding differences in biochemical genetic constitution? How can we assess the extent of heterogeneity between and within groupings? Which class of markers (blood typings or protein loci) discriminates better among the separate populations? The results are quite surprising. For example, we found the Ashkenazi, Sephardi and Iraqi Jewish populations to be consistently close in genetic constitution and distant from all the other populations, namely the Yemenite and Cochin Jews, the Arabs, and the non-Jewish German and Russian populations. We found the Polish Jewish community the most heterogeneous among all Jewish populations. The blood loci discriminate better than the protein loci. A number of possible interpretations and hypotheses for these and other results are offered. The method devised for this analysis should prove useful in studying similarities and differences for other groups of populations for which substantial biochemical polymorphic data are available."
http://www26.brinkster.com/archived/...D=745357692241