FFBFuck Facebook[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Notice its not kids freaking out about this, but the generation in power, so just wait 50 years and no one will care, and it will seem normal. When Rome introduced the census they had to send soldiers and quite literally put people to the sword to get their data, but soon towns just collected the information and sent it in.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFB*data retention STARTED the day after data transmission started,[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBData retention is of course a reality that happens everywhere..i think the problem with FB is that ppl share PERSONAL stuff..u know..messeges to friends about the man u brokeup with that broke ur heart, etc..things like that that are beyond bank accounts or tracking where you are, when, which wud not be that big a deal for most ppl...i think kids are not freaking out coz they do not think of the further problems this cud cause..ur personal/emotional information change alot quicker than ur census data..& they are usually things u dont want retained anywhere..[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
The problem isnt the data retention, its the use of that data. The data is simply a tool, it is neither good or bad. Having that mountain of personal data in 20 or 30 years will be stupendous, I will be very glad that so much of my personal correspondence with friends and relatives will be archived forever. However, the misuse of that data could be catastrophic and we must be VERY careful that it remains safe from prying eyes. I believe that unless Facebook goes south in a bad way, they will have stupendous security for the foreseeable future, so that really only leaves the law and facebook itself as possible threats. So they need to be open about what they do with it, and it seems that ever since Beacon they have been. Let's hope that doesn't change, because the government is threat enough...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: FFB"constant everpresent" as opposed to those pesky inconstant everpresents, or worse, the constant nonepresents...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FFBAll the time is not the same as everywhere....[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: FFBIt certainly makes it easier for them to find your fears (like Winston and the rats from 1984) and people will often do what you say if their friends/family are threatened. Will thousands of pages of personal fb data be admissible to criminal and civil courts to peruse for motive or mentioning illegal activity?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBExcept the census was anonymous right?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: FFBincorrect, at least in the UK, 'heir hunters' use old census records to build family trees.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBthat Is the opposite of a free country total overwatch by a corporation[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBHow about they keep your 10 your old emails you have deleted. Should skype retain your deleted data as well? Should google keep your entire search history after you delete your account?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I've never used facebook and the more stories like this I read the more certain I am that I never will.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
How many of your friends use facebook? How often do they tag a picture of you? Check you in somewhere? Mention you in a status update?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I suppose the biggest demand for new 'work' in relation to that would be the peer review and human filtering of new community members; anything else would just be reputation within the community as a commodity.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Best practice is to simply anticipate that FB and other sites are a "permanent record", except that most of the information is what you provide. Thus, think twice about what you post and question if there's a possibility for it to come back and haunt you.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Minimal FB userWatch this video: Facebook and Google Secret Revealed It talks about how they turn what you do into data and use it to customize your internet experience. Why wouldn't they want the data you deleted? That tells them the kinds of things you would delete, just like opting out tells them your limits.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
The more I find out about Facebook, the closer I am to deleting my accountI know they keep a lot of stuff, but to keep everything you have ever entered is bad. Even if you don't want to enter data about yourself, your friends are doing it. I have a brother that marked me as his brother and friends that have added my high school and year of graduation and my current employer. This is not info I wanted to put out there but now its there. They are very quietely gathering every piece of info on you that they possibly can. And now you know it is never, ever deleted.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: The more I find out about Facebook, the closer I am to deleting my accountBeing sparse with your Facebook information could give the impression that what is entered must be correct. But being abundant with what is entered & and including all sorts of wild things such as attending Schools in far-off places and hanging with royalty and saving small kittens from burning trees and donating your money to the expansion of teleportation, gives the impression that what is posted could OR could not be quite so accurate. Make things believable and people will believe. Make things unbelievable, and people may not.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Of course Facebook will retain (and sell) every scrap of data it can. Of course Facebook employees with access to the data will make their own side deals. Of course Facebook's incompetent security guarantees that attackers will avail themselves of whatever they want, whenever they want -- and already have -- and will sell it, trade it, whatever on the open market. Of course Facebook will lie, lie, lie about all of this whenever it can.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
There's a reason no self respecting privacy advocate uses Facebook![ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Note the name change from "private" to messages. You can only leave them or archive them.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
This all seems a bit creepy and unwanted. But we would not visit these sites if we did not perceive some benefit. Of course everyone has some kind of ads they do not care to see (hello ad blockers). Would the ads really be so bad if they were always relevant to you, for things you cared about? I think that is what companies like Google and Facebook aim to achieve (even if they don't quite get there).[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Stores collect data, the government, car manufacturers, insurance companies, hospitals and practically everybody even your neighbour which may have installed some security cameras.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:And I am one of those neighbors with security cameras. Proud of it too. The camera can tell the truth better than word of mouth. It can also give information that the police would not ever have. ID the bad guy, and if I am lucky anyone else involved in the crime. These cameras are easy to install and set up if you run a business get one, if you live in a neighborhood that has had a string of thefts get one. I don't care if your just walking up the sidewalk, or double parking, I just want the added security in knowing in the end I have a good chance on catching the real bad guys doing bad things.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Most of my FB utterances are just about how much I hate FB. They're welcome to them[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I just like to be alone, it's the way I am, and there is nothing more to it. Now move along and give me some privacy.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
i dont like my data/personal info being held by governments without my permission but do see the need for some of it sometimes, depending on what that info is, to be retained. however, when government agencies manage to frequently lose that info, what chance is there of FB doing any different? their security is something of a joke, by all accounts. i dont agree with my info being held by any private company, whether for ever or temporarily and definitely dont agree to that info being passed to others, especially for their gain.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Or I'll probably still be the trusting schmuck that I am and hope nobody's that interested in a 32yr old average Joe.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
FacebookI used facebook very often...we need to take care of personal things to share on facebook means allow of us should follow some rules. After all precaution is better then cure.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/sep/30/facebook-investigation-privacy-concerns[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
This is the article on how to do the request and this is the direct link to the form[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Facebook data requestWhy only europe?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Facebook data requestEU Privacy laws have a use...at least until ACTA comes along.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Facebook data requestI see, I should probably have looked that up myself...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
ParanoiaI'm Paranoid of Paranoid people... come on! YOU'RE putting this info on your profile and you expected it to be kept to you and just you? I really don't know what most of you are afraid of anyways... Unless your posting your credit card info, social insurance/security number or the names of all your mistresses on your facebook account then what are you so afraid of? Are you afraid someone from Facebook is going to know you friended your grandmother 2 years ago after posting silly pictures of your cats?.. Like come on. People who have privacy concerns tend to have things to hide.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
One positive aspect of the amount of data Facebook is collecting is that it's way too much for a person to go through manually. At least the voyeurism will be automated.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
its actually a good thing they keep messages, i deleted the messages from me and my teacher but facebook still has them[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Who cares what they record anyway, should think twice before you write anything down anyway whether its on Facebook or whatever. I remember someone telling me that depending on what we say represents what is in our hearts. Maybe they just using that information to just try to understand more about people or for whatever security reason. I don't see anything wrong with that I would have done the same.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: http://www.abine.com/blog/2013/why-the-loss-of-online-privacy-will-kill-free-speech/[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
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FFBFuck Facebook[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Notice its not kids freaking out about this, but the generation in power, so just wait 50 years and no one will care, and it will seem normal. When Rome introduced the census they had to send soldiers and quite literally put people to the sword to get their data, but soon towns just collected the information and sent it in.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFB*data retention STARTED the day after data transmission started,[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBData retention is of course a reality that happens everywhere..i think the problem with FB is that ppl share PERSONAL stuff..u know..messeges to friends about the man u brokeup with that broke ur heart, etc..things like that that are beyond bank accounts or tracking where you are, when, which wud not be that big a deal for most ppl...i think kids are not freaking out coz they do not think of the further problems this cud cause..ur personal/emotional information change alot quicker than ur census data..& they are usually things u dont want retained anywhere..[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
The problem isnt the data retention, its the use of that data. The data is simply a tool, it is neither good or bad. Having that mountain of personal data in 20 or 30 years will be stupendous, I will be very glad that so much of my personal correspondence with friends and relatives will be archived forever. However, the misuse of that data could be catastrophic and we must be VERY careful that it remains safe from prying eyes. I believe that unless Facebook goes south in a bad way, they will have stupendous security for the foreseeable future, so that really only leaves the law and facebook itself as possible threats. So they need to be open about what they do with it, and it seems that ever since Beacon they have been. Let's hope that doesn't change, because the government is threat enough...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: FFB"constant everpresent" as opposed to those pesky inconstant everpresents, or worse, the constant nonepresents...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: FFBAll the time is not the same as everywhere....[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: FFBIt certainly makes it easier for them to find your fears (like Winston and the rats from 1984) and people will often do what you say if their friends/family are threatened. Will thousands of pages of personal fb data be admissible to criminal and civil courts to peruse for motive or mentioning illegal activity?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBExcept the census was anonymous right?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: FFBincorrect, at least in the UK, 'heir hunters' use old census records to build family trees.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBthat Is the opposite of a free country total overwatch by a corporation[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: FFBHow about they keep your 10 your old emails you have deleted. Should skype retain your deleted data as well? Should google keep your entire search history after you delete your account?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I've never used facebook and the more stories like this I read the more certain I am that I never will.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
How many of your friends use facebook? How often do they tag a picture of you? Check you in somewhere? Mention you in a status update?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I suppose the biggest demand for new 'work' in relation to that would be the peer review and human filtering of new community members; anything else would just be reputation within the community as a commodity.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Best practice is to simply anticipate that FB and other sites are a "permanent record", except that most of the information is what you provide. Thus, think twice about what you post and question if there's a possibility for it to come back and haunt you.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Minimal FB userWatch this video: Facebook and Google Secret Revealed It talks about how they turn what you do into data and use it to customize your internet experience. Why wouldn't they want the data you deleted? That tells them the kinds of things you would delete, just like opting out tells them your limits.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
The more I find out about Facebook, the closer I am to deleting my accountI know they keep a lot of stuff, but to keep everything you have ever entered is bad. Even if you don't want to enter data about yourself, your friends are doing it. I have a brother that marked me as his brother and friends that have added my high school and year of graduation and my current employer. This is not info I wanted to put out there but now its there. They are very quietely gathering every piece of info on you that they possibly can. And now you know it is never, ever deleted.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: The more I find out about Facebook, the closer I am to deleting my accountBeing sparse with your Facebook information could give the impression that what is entered must be correct. But being abundant with what is entered & and including all sorts of wild things such as attending Schools in far-off places and hanging with royalty and saving small kittens from burning trees and donating your money to the expansion of teleportation, gives the impression that what is posted could OR could not be quite so accurate. Make things believable and people will believe. Make things u
nbelievable, and people may not.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Of course Facebook will retain (and sell) every scrap of data it can. Of course Facebook employees with access to the data will make their own side deals. Of course Facebook's incompetent security guarantees that attackers will avail themselves of whatever they want, whenever they want -- and already have -- and will sell it, trade it, whatever on the open market. Of course Facebook will lie, lie, lie about all of this whenever it can.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
There's a reason no self respecting privacy advocate uses Facebook![ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Note the name change from "private" to messages. You can only leave them or archive them.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
This all seems a bit creepy and unwanted. But we would not visit these sites if we did not perceive some benefit. Of course everyone has some kind of ads they do not care to see (hello ad blockers). Would the ads really be so bad if they were always relevant to you, for things you cared about? I think that is what companies like Google and Facebook aim to achieve (even if they don't quite get there).[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Stores collect data, the government, car manufacturers, insurance companies, hospitals and practically everybody even your neighbour which may have installed some security cameras.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re:And I am one of those neighbors with security cameras. Proud of it too. The camera can tell the truth better than word of mouth. It can also give information that the police would not ever have. ID the bad guy, and if I am lucky anyone else involved in the crime. These cameras are easy to install and set up if you run a business get one, if you live in a neighborhood that has had a string of thefts get one. I don't care if your just walking up the sidewalk, or double parking, I just want the added security in knowing in the end I have a good chance on catching the real bad guys doing bad things.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Most of my FB utterances are just about how much I hate FB. They're welcome to them[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
I just like to be alone, it's the way I am, and there is nothing more to it. Now move along and give me some privacy.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
i dont like my data/personal info being held by governments without my permission but do see the need for some of it sometimes, depending on what that info is, to be retained. however, when government agencies manage to frequently lose that info, what chance is there of FB doing any different? their security is something of a joke, by all accounts. i dont agree with my info being held by any private company, whether for ever or temporarily and definitely dont agree to that info being passed to others, especially for their gain.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Or I'll probably still be the trusting schmuck that I am and hope nobody's that interested in a 32yr old average Joe.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
FacebookI used facebook very often...we need to take care of personal things to share on facebook means allow of us should follow some rules. After all precaution is better then cure.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/sep/30/facebook-investigation-privacy-concerns[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
This is the article on how to do the request and this is the direct link to the form[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Facebook data requestWhy only europe?[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Facebook data requestEU Privacy laws have a use...at least until ACTA comes along.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: Re: Re: Facebook data requestI see, I should probably have looked that up myself...[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
ParanoiaI'm Paranoid of Paranoid people... come on! YOU'RE putting this info on your profile and you expected it to be kept to you and just you? I really don't know what most of you are afraid of anyways... Unless your posting your credit card info, social insurance/security number or the names of all your mistresses on your facebook account then what are you so afraid of? Are you afraid someone from Facebook is going to know you friended your grandmother 2 years ago after posting silly pictures of your cats?.. Like come on. People who have privacy concerns tend to have things to hide.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
One positive aspect of the amount of data Facebook is collecting is that it's way too much for a person to go through manually. At least the voyeurism will be automated.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
its actually a good thing they keep messages, i deleted the messages from me and my teacher but facebook still has them[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Who cares what they record anyway, should think twice before you write anything down anyway whether its on Facebook or whatever. I remember someone telling me that depending on what we say represents what is in our hearts. Maybe they just using that information to just try to understand more about people or for whatever security reason. I don't see anything wrong with that I would have done the same.[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Re: http://www.abine.com/blog/2013/why-the-loss-of-online-privacy-will-kill-free-speech/[ reply to this | link to this | view in chronology ]
Chinese Trademarks And The Emoluments Clause: Do They Intersect In The Trump Presidency? (39)11:57