Moses 2018 - Page 45 - Kiteforum.com
Postby Foil » Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 am
I sailed the modified T60 (with tracks) yesterday back to back with the Groove Skate, and 633 Onda wave wing,
Sea state was mainly big swell (6-8ft) on the outside ,and quickly moving 4-6ft swell closer in, with small swell and flatish water close in, wind was strong, 6mtr conditions yet again,
First out on the Moses,
It was immediately apparent just how easy it is to get going from a tighter angle to the wind,(than when using my Groove Skate) the longer nose and beveled bottom just grip and facilitate a very quick - up and away - responce, and the ride up to maximum speed is silky smooth level flight, with the footstraps right forward and the mast now set further back I did appreciate the more laid back ride being able to place my rear foot back near the rear strap, which was in its most rear position,
it felt just so right, going into the big swell on the outside things were less stable as expected, but slowing down and picking my lines was easy if a little sticky at times with the nose touching down on the big ones, but then on the ride back in the new balance point was a massive plus,
with my wider stance and front foot well forward I was able to drop down onto the fast moving swells and commit so much better than before, hard fast carves were more controlled, more fun, and I just knew I had been riding faster on a wave than ever before,
and when I downloaded the speed track this speed was confirmed at 23 knts, that feels so fast when your pushing hard down on your front leg, being pushed from behind and with one arm outstretched and one eye on the kite to ensure its keeping pace,
Gybing round to toeside felt smoother and with my wider stance the upwind angle was more locked in as was the carve back to heel side.
So it's no surprise to hear that my experience on the modified T60 was a complete success.
Postby Oldman » Wed May 16, 2018 9:55 am
Thanks for sharing @Foil...!
I feel compelled to do the same.
Can you please take some pics with the location of the tracks on the t60. Would be great if there are some measurements.
Postby cwood » Wed May 16, 2018 1:54 pm
would also be nice to know where the optimal mast location is now vs the fixed mount position
Postby Foil » Wed May 16, 2018 2:40 pm
cwood wrote: would also be nice to know where the optimal mast location is now vs the fixed mount position
It's my last day here at Flag beach tomorrow, so aI will get home and measure up accurately from tail edge to the back edge of the mast base,
Just come off the water here at Flag, the wind is relentless, 6 MTR conditions yet again
Is there no end to this? The water though was perfect, long smooth swell giving a silent magic carpet ride at full speed out to the steeper swell which was completely silent, no breaking crests so all the "water park rides " were open for use, without having to look out for breaking water, I was able to bear away and catch one then break away to ride a better one and so on, It allowed me to just smile in amazement at this ride in on the swell which each time was for around 400 yards,
each run just felt like I was sailing down hill all the way, that's the feeling I was getting all the time, wierd sensation, as your brain says no this can't be happening. But you eyes and sences are saying you are falling forward very quickly all the time.
And all this time there was only me out on my big waterpark, everyone else came down after 1pm, and if things run the same as yesterday the wind will get even stronger.
Postby grigorib » Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 pm
Postby TomW » Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 pm
I'm enjoying the 590 wing a lot now that I moved my front foot hook so it's forward of my normal front foot position. I use it to start, then I'm behind it. Have room now to move forward 50mm from previous.
I was out yesterday with a friend , him on SS giant batwing sup wing and 75 cm mast and Sonic 2 13m. Me on 590 , 93 mast and Hyperlink 9 m. Very light wind. I could go almost as slow as him, and we compared average speed on our identical Suunto peaks After. Basically same average speed over 10 km session. We have same skills.
So I'm really wondering what the difference is ....not ready to pay 800 euro for 2 secs more flight in a slack line situation...
Postby grigorib » Sat May 19, 2018 8:32 pm
Wait till you ride the 633
Postby GCKiter » Sat May 19, 2018 10:54 pm
Postby salvino » Sun May 20, 2018 1:48 am
I rode the 633 on 91cm mast today 7m Neo in gusty 18-28 mph winds. It was soooo nice. I am so impressed with this setup.
Home run Moses!
Btw, 7m sessions are not the easiest for learning foiling tacks! This was my first time ever foiling on such a small kite. Wild.
Postby grigorib » Sun May 20, 2018 2:51 am
Moses 2018 - Page 45 - Kiteforum.com
Postby Foil » Wed May 16, 2018 9:22 am
I sailed the modified T60 (with tracks) yesterday back to back with the Groove Skate, and 633 Onda wave wing,
Sea state was mainly big swell (6-8ft) on the outside ,and quickly moving 4-6ft swell closer in, with small swell and flatish water close in, wind was strong, 6mtr conditions yet again,
First out on the Moses,
It was immediately apparent just how easy it is to get going from a tighter angle to the wind,(than when using my Groove Skate) the longer nose and beveled bottom just grip and facilitate a very quick - up and away - responce, and the ride up to maximum speed is silky smooth level flight, with the footstraps right forward and the mast now set further back I did appreciate the more laid back ride being able to place my rear foot back near the rear strap, which was in its most rear position,
it felt just so right, going into the big swell on the outside things were less stable as expected, but slowing down and picking my lines was easy if a little sticky at times with the nose touching down on the big ones, but then on the ride back in the new balance point was a massive plus,
with my wider stance and front foot well forward I was able to drop down onto the fast moving swells and commit so much better than before, hard fast carves were more controlled, more fun, and I just knew I had been riding faster on a wave than ever before,
and when I downloaded the speed track this speed was confirmed at 23 knts, that feels so fast when your pushing hard down on your front leg, being pushed from behind and with one arm outstretched and one eye on the kite to ensure its keeping pace,
Gybing round to toeside felt smoother and with my wider stance the upwind angle was more locked in as was the carve back to heel side.
So it's no surprise to hear that my experience on the modified T60 was a complete success.
Postby Oldman » Wed May 16, 2018 9:55 am
Thanks for sharing @Foil...!
I feel compelled to do the same.
Can you please take some pics with the location of the tracks on the t60. Would be great if there are some measurements.
Postby cwood » Wed May 16, 2018 1:54 pm
would also be nice to know where the optimal mast location is now vs the fixed mount position
Postby Foil » Wed May 16, 2018 2:40 pm
cwood wrote: would also be nice to know where the optimal mast location is n
ow vs the fixed mount position
It's my last day here at Flag beach tomorrow, so aI will get home and measure up accurately from tail edge to the back edge of the mast base,
Just come off the water here at Flag, the wind is relentless, 6 MTR conditions yet again
Is there no end to this? The water though was perfect, long smooth swell giving a silent magic carpet ride at full speed out to the steeper swell which was completely silent, no breaking crests so all the "water park rides " were open for use, without having to look out for breaking water, I was able to bear away and catch one then break away to ride a better one and so on, It allowed me to just smile in amazement at this ride in on the swell which each time was for around 400 yards,
each run just felt like I was sailing down hill all the way, that's the feeling I was getting all the time, wierd sensation, as your brain says no this can't be happening. But you eyes and sences are saying you are falling forward very quickly all the time.
And all this time there was only me out on my big waterpark, everyone else came down after 1pm, and if things run the same as yesterday the wind will get even stronger.
Postby grigorib » Wed May 16, 2018 8:27 pm
Postby TomW » Sat May 19, 2018 6:48 pm
I'm enjoying the 590 wing a lot now that I moved my front foot hook so it's forward of my normal front foot position. I use it to start, then I'm behind it. Have room now to move forward 50mm from previous.
I was out yesterday with a friend , him on SS giant batwing sup wing and 75 cm mast and Sonic 2 13m. Me on 590 , 93 mast and Hyperlink 9 m. Very light wind. I could go almost as slow as him, and we compared average speed on our identical Suunto peaks After. Basically same average speed over 10 km session. We have same skills.
So I'm really wondering what the difference is ....not ready to pay 800 euro for 2 secs more flight in a slack line situation...
Postby grigorib » Sat May 19, 2018 8:32 pm
Wait till you ride the 633
Postby GCKiter » Sat May 19, 2018 10:54 pm
Postby salvino » Sun May 20, 2018 1:48 am
I rode the 633 on 91cm mast today 7m Neo in gusty 18-28 mph winds. It was soooo nice. I am so impressed with this setup.
Home run Moses!
Btw, 7m sessions are not the easiest for learning foiling tacks! This was my first time ever foiling on such a small kite. Wild.
Postby grigorib » Sun May 20, 2018 2:51 am