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9/12/14 at 9:12am	erupt107th
Im shocked Reply	Reply	post #26612 of 73413
9/12/14 at 9:27am	Mr Marcus
Originally Posted by JJs07 *shrugs*
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9/12/14 at 9:44am	JJs07
Two things I found interesting:Quote:
Dan ConnollyVerified account ‏@danconnollysun
It's my understanding that Davis did not apply for a therapeutic use exemption this year after having one last year. Dont know why
in this article, 1 out of 10 players (in 2011) had an exemption to take adderrall.
If Davis had the exemption last year, I'm not sure why he didn't re-apply....	Reply	Reply	post #26614 of 73413
9/12/14 at 9:51am	ChampCruThik
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9/12/14 at 10:17am	Osh Kosh Bosh
1. Chris Davis deserves this for that dumb **** he said about Hank Aaron is the home run king. Fitting he's busted for the same stuff Hammerin Hank did regularly. 2. Here comes the parade of uninformed troglodytes who think Chris Davis his all those homers because he's on steroids. Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 10:56am	Mr Marcus
Wait, what he say about hank?	Reply	Reply	post #26617 of 73413
9/12/14 at 10:59am	JJs07
Originally Posted by Mr Marcus Wait, what he say about hank?
I mean, is it really that dumb?Quote:
"I think you have to look at the body of work that not only Hank Aaron put in but also Barry Bonds," Davis told USA TODAY Sports. "Bonds was a great player for a long time. But it's hard to say that Hank Aaron's record isn't the legitimate home run record because of all the allegations, the accusations regarding Bonds."
It's a bit hypocritical (now) since he's suspended...but there are a lot of people who share the same sentiments.
Oh, and the O's are 14-4 w/ Davis out of the lineup. I'm not mad about Delmon Young getting more ABs.	Reply	Reply	post #26618 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:10am	Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by JJs07 I mean, is it really that dumb?LinkIt's a bit hypocritical (now) since he's suspended...but there are a lot of people who share the same sentiments.
Oh, and the O's are 14-4 w/ Davis out of the lineup. I'm not mad about Delmon Young getting more ABs.
and those people are stupid, they all took performance enhancing drugs, Barry Bonds just had the misfortune of doing it in the 24 hour media coverage age.
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9/12/14 at 11:12am	Osh Kosh Bosh
Nothing in life annoys me more than double standards.
Barry Bonds is a pariah mean while baseball players from the up until recently had coffee pots in the clubhouse marked "leaded" and "unleaded" so you know which one had lil something extra if you needed it that day. Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 11:13am	Mr Marcus
Yea in my mind Bonds is the king. I'll never back off that cause that whole era was juicing and I'm sure they was during hanks time too.	Reply	Reply	post #26621 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:19am	erupt107th
Bonds is the GOAT. It's a shame we had to take his ring from him in the '02 WS.
I really want to see KC and Seattle make it. That KC crowd would be crazy Reply	Reply	post #26622 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:26am	Thread Starter Proshares
^ What, you scared of the Yanks making it?
Nah, I would love to see Shields & Felix in the postseason making a big start.	Reply	Reply	post #26623 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:44am	Thread Starter Proshares
Discrimination suit poses multiple threats to Jeff Wilpon.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)Former Mets senior vice president of ticket sales Leigh Castergine has filed a sexual discrimination complaint against Mets chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon, alleging that Wilpon "frequently humiliated" her during her pregnancy, often in the presence of witnesses, and ultimately fired her for seeking a remedy with the team's human resources department.
The Mets issued a statement responding to the allegations which said, "The claims are without merit. Our organization maintains strong policies against any and all forms of discrimination."
The complaint comes as Wilpon and his family seek to stabilize their finances and their hold on the team. It also happens to be hitting the news in the wake of Donald Sterling's forced exit as owner of the Los Angeles Clippers, Bruce Levenson selling his share of the Atlanta Hawks, means Wilpon's actions are going to be discussed within the framework of another league seeing multiple owners depart over questions of discrimination.
Merits aside, the complaint seems designed to take advantage of this, as well as the Wilpon family's involvement in Bernard Madoff's Ponzi schemes, and their subsequent public mistatements about the state of their own and the team's finances.
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At one point, the complaint says, "Moreover, the team has been unable to acquire premier talent, in part, because of its serious financial woes. ... The Team's ownership and front office have only made things worse. For example, Mets executives persisted in publicly denying the Team's financial difficulties despite the obvious freefall in player payroll ... each season, the Mets' front office insisted that the team had the ability to spend money on new players, only to see payroll drop even further."
Castergine is a Wharton-educated businesswoman who received a promotion from the Mets just prior to her pregnancy. She could be a tricky opponent in a courtroom, and she's certain to be a problematic opponent for Wilpon and the Mets in the public eye.
That leaves the question of exactly why this case didn't settle before Castergine filed. A two-week period offered the chronological opportunity, and multiple attorneys I spoke to described it as extremely unlikely that Anne C. Vladeck, the decorated, top-shelf attorney representing Castergine (sort of an anti-Gloria Allred), would have proceeded without attempting a settlement.
It is of course possible that Wilpon has a solid, factual defense. But cases have often been settled in spite of this, particularly when the defendant is an owner in the litigation-averse world of Major League Baseball.
Another possibility is that Castergine is asking for more money than Wilpon, the son of Mets owner Fred Wilpon, is capable of paying. The statutes under which the suit was filed do not carry with them caps on damages. And with Castergine seeking not just compensatory damages but punitive damages, a jury that found Wilpon liable would be instructed to set out an amount commensurate with what he can pay, and one designed to sting.
Remember, this is still the same family that managed to settle with Irving Picard, trustee for the Bernie Madoff victims, because they were out of funds back in 2012. Since then, they've managed to stay afloat largely by borrowing against the skyrocketing equity in their 65 percent stake in S.N.Y., using the local sports television network boom to stave off bankruptcy.
But borrowing further against that to pay off a potential sexual discrimination lawsuit, doing so quickly, and in time to avoid a lawsuit is not easy. Nor is any insurer they have to cover such events likely to be sympathetic to a quick resolution, avoiding any further damage to Wilpon's reputation. Said insurer wouldn't much care what happens to Wilpon's public standing.
It is also possible that this is about more than the possibility of monetary damages. Certainly, the complaint signals that the plaintiff is also well aware of the power of the allegations to affect the Wilpons in the court of public opinion, as well as their standing in the league.
The fact that these are still only allegations means that unlike the cases in which a secret tape and elevator video forced the N.B.A. and N.F.L. to take action against a racist owner and wife-beating star player, respectively, Major League Baseball isn't yet compelled to do anything. But it faces a potential crisis should it not even try to determine whether a team owner acted as Castergine alleges Wilpon did. Failing to investigate the matter fully, at least, is going to look awful within the public context of N.F.L. commissioner Roger Goodell's actions after the league was sent a tape of Rice knocking his fiancee unconscious and dragging her out of an elevator.
The structure of the lawsuit itself, too, makes potential league actions more complicated. As a veteran attorney in sexual discrimination matters explained it, by pointing out how many other people in the organization—such as chief financial officer Lou DiPaoli and chief counsel David Cohen—allegedly failed to act, it poses a threat not just to Jeff Wilpon but to the collective management of the New York Mets.
Figuring all this out, for now, is Bud Selig, who is commissioner of baseball until January. In 2014, the conversation has been about Selig's legacy, something clearly important to him. The extent to which the Mets have been gutted, as part of his legacy, is both seldom talked about publicly, and something acutely understood by both the team's fan base and most of Wilpon's fellow owners.
M.L.B. walked a noncommittal line on Wednesday night.
But if Jeff Wilpon lacks the cash to make this go away, or Leigh Castergine decides she wants more than cash for it to happen, then Bud Selig will have to make a decision about whether to let one of his owners go to trial, or to do whatever he can to prevent that from happening.
Should the proceedings extend beyond January, and Selig punts, new commissioner Rob Manfred will have the opportunity to weigh in. Manfred, whose first public appearance after winning the job of commissioner-elect was to watch Mo'ne Davis pitch, will be acutely aware of what his actions in this matter will tell the public about him.
The state of the Wilpons, as owners, wasn't great before the lawsuit. The team's debt of more than $600 million against their ownership stake in S.N.Y. comes due next year. It either needs to be paid, which obviously can't happen, or re-financed the way the $250 million debt against the team was this past year. That would also need to be approved by Major League Baseball.
Back in 2011, Selig nixed a potential deal between wayward Dodgers owner Frank McCourt and Fox for the Dodgers' television rights, citing concern over the "further diversion of Dodgers assets for the personal needs of Mr. McCourt."
By contrast, Selig approved the re-finance of Mets team debt in 2014, and it was widely expected the same would be true of Manfred with the 2015 S.N.Y. debt. One who clearly expected it was Fred Wilpon, who forcefully advocated for Manfred during a contentious election battle last month before crowing about Manfred's election in the owner-sympathetic Daily News.
But Selig and Wilpon who shared a long history together. Manfred's treatment of the Wilpons will likely be less about their relationship and more about what level of unseemliness he's willing to endure before he decides things have to change.
Hopefully this starts the process of getting these bastards out of baseball.	Reply	Reply	post #26624 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:57am	JohnnyRedStorm
Pro man, if Bud does man, I'll forgive him for overlooking PEDs and ending that All Star game in a tie. Get the Coupons out of here. Please Mr. Selig.	Reply	Reply	post #26625 of 73413
9/12/14 at 12:06pm	Thread Starter Proshares
I doubt it. They're so close. I doubt it's all on him but I'm surprised the Mets didn't suspend him like a lot of people thought they would after it came out. Keith Law said it best the night before...he should have been put on unpaid leave and removed from the boards...this is really specific stuff and league is dismissing it as employee on employee stuff.	Reply	Reply	post #26626 of 73413
9/12/14 at 12:22pm	JJs07
Barry Bonds is the home run kind, live with it.
Who is "they all?" A bit speculative, no? I might give credence to your tired argument if guys like Griffey Jr., Thome, Thomas, etc. are found to have done similar things.	Reply	Reply	post #26627 of 73413
9/12/14 at 2:24pm	Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by JJs07 Who is "they all?" A bit speculative, no? I might give credence to your tired argument if guys like Griffey Jr., Thome, Thomas, etc. are found to have done similar things.
"They all" meaning the older baseball players in the hall, specifically willie mays and hank aaron who have admitted it in the past.
when you read about the culture of baseball it's hard to imagine a player NEVER taking amphetamines if they played between like 1920-2006, it was SOOO ingrained in the culture of the sport.
Griffey, Thome and Thomas I have no idea if they took steroids, but logic suggest they probably popped a greenie or two.	Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 2:33pm	dland24
Anyone ever read this before? I know its an opinion piece (which is slightly dated), but it makes sense:
Hammerin' Hank Aaron: Was he on 'Roids?
The San Francisco Chronicle, in a May 3rd 2005 article quoted former Major League pitcher Tom House of the Atlanta Braves as saying that steroids were rampant in the game in the late '60s and throughout the '70s.
House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and 'whatever steroid' they could find in order to keep up with the competition.
House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs, "We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed", he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them".
Congress suggested that Baseball hid a steroid problem. However, as you will read Bowie Kuhn suppressed that notion. After the jump, Protrade's incredible argument about Aaron's juice.
According to Rep. Henry A. Waxman in his March 17,2005 opening statement before the House Government Reform Committee:
"Congress first investigated drugs and professional sports, including steroids over 30 years ago. I think perhaps the only two people in the room who will remember this are me and Commissioner Selig, because I believe he became owner in 1970".
In 1973, the year I first ran for Congress, the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce concluded a year-long investigation that found--and I quote--"drug use exists...in all sports and levels of competition...In some instances, the danger of improper drug use--primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids--can only be described as alarming". Bowie Kuhn, and the powers that be at the time, quietly squashed the entire tawdry episode and with good reason: it would cast suspicions on an African-American slugger who was challenging one of baseball's most cherished records: The career record for home runs.
Compare Hank Aaron's stats at the beginning of his career and then notice how his HR% began to increase beginning when Hammerin' Hank was 37 years old.
HR% is defined as being the number of HRs per 100 ABs.
Nothing unusual about these statistics; it is a typical profile of a slugger in decline as he ages. But then Hank began to undergo an 'enhancement.'
What explains this spike at a latter age? Expansion? Perhaps. But then what happens?
Hank...What's going on buddy? Aaron's HR% were TOPS in the NL in both 1971 and 1972. Hmm.
Which leads us to 1973 when at age 40 in just 392 at bats, juiced 40 HR's for a HR% of 10.2. Once again TOPS in NL for the THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR and the HIGHEST HR% in the ENTIRE 23 year career of Hank Aaron.
Hank Aaron at 40 was not the only Atlanta Brave to hit 40 Hrs that season. Teammates Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson blasted 41 and 43 HRs respectively.
Year HRs HR%
1971 12 4.6
1972 19 4.5
1973 41 6.9
1974 25 4.4
1975 22 2.8
Notice a statistical anomaly? Let's see what Davey Johnson did.
1971 18 3.5
1972 5 1.3
1973 43 7.7
1974 15 3.3
1975 Played 1 game
1976 Did not play MLB
Notice a statistical anomaly? It would be one thing for Hank Aaron to undergo an 'enhancement', but what are the odds that not one but TWO teammates would both have career years in HR's and HR% in the SAME YEAR as when a Congressional Committee issued its final report saying that anabolic steroids were rampant in the game? Why did Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson both experience career spikes in HR's only to return to earth the following year?
And how did Hank finish up?
41 20 5.9
42 12 2.6
43 10 3.7
So what happened? Enquiring minds want to know.
The 1996 Baltimore Orioles set at the time the team HR record for one season. Brady Anderson's 50 HR season was viewed suspiciously.
The manager of the 1996 Baltimore Orioles? Davey Johnson.
The only question remains: What did Bud Selig know and when did he know it?
Fay Vincent circulated a draft steroids policy in 1991. Selig knew that if the scab of steroids was picked off, the **** of the 1973 Atlanta Braves would be oozing all over the game. The scandal of Hank Aaron's HR record being tainted by steroids use would have been a PR disaster at the time and. personally, extremely painful to Bud Selig who, after all, is a long-time friend of Hank Aaron.
Hence the boardroom coup which ousted Fay Vincent and made Bud Selig 'Acting Commissioner', while still maintaining his position as the owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, a blatant conflict of interest.
So long as Bud Selig remains in charge of Major League Baseball, the American public will never get to the bottom of the steroids scandal which has sullied the game. He has too much of a personal vested interest in Hank Aaron.
Besides, after this season, Barry Lamar Bonds will BE the HR KING.
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9/12/14 at 2:35pm	Osh Kosh Bosh
as I've said before, most of the power hitters from bonds era had a late career power surges. the trend historically is that power starts declining 29/30.
Jim Thomes top 5 power years came as a regular came after the age of 30.
3 of Frank Thomas top 5 power years came after the age of 30.
Did they all take steroids I don't know, but as I have stated many times I don't think it has anything to do with steroids, they were feasting on thinned out pitching from rapid post strike expansion. Griffey was too injured to take advantage of this, if he was healthy he might have hit 73 like Bonds. (though I do not think griffey game would have ever aged as greacefully as Bonds.)	Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 3:18pm	JohnnyRedStorm
Balco played a part in Barry's grace.	Reply	Reply	post #26631 of 73413
9/12/14 at 3:27pm	Jewbacca
I don't care if Bonds took more roids than a pro wrestler. How locked in he was during those Balco years was incredible He would literally get 1 pitch to hit per game, and he would crush it Reply	Reply	post #26632 of 73413
9/12/14 at 3:53pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
My Fav player of all time. Fortunate to see him play in person growing up	Reply	Reply	post #26633 of 73413
9/12/14 at 6:59pm	Ballerific703
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11513292/chris-davis-problem-baltimore-orioles-problem
Thought this was a very interesting article about Chris Davis' addiction. Didn't know you were tested that many times and were told when you failed that you will be tested again. Worth reading fellas.	Reply	Reply	post #26634 of 73413
9/12/14 at 8:06pm	PacificNorseWst
I've never...A's pulled their DH from the game, so if I heard right, Hammel now has to bat. It's only the 3rd inning.
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9/12/14 at 9:13pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
My cousin caught the HR ball from Cano Reply	Reply	post #26636 of 73413
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9/12/14 at 9:21pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
With Kershaw pitching Sunday, Giants need to win tonight and Tomorrow	Reply	Reply	post #26639 of 73413
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9/13/14 at 3:45am	JJs07
Originally Posted by Ballerific703 http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11513292/chris-davis-problem-baltimore-orioles-problem
Thought this was a very interesting article about Chris Davis' addiction. Didn't know you were tested that many times and were told when you failed that you will be tested again. Worth reading fellas.
Davis also battled alcohol addiction...that kinda flew under the radar as well.	Reply	Reply	« Previous1…885886887888889890891892893…2448Next »	Start a New Thread	Subscribe	Search This Thread	New Posts All Forums:Forum Nav:HomeSubscriptionsPrivate MessagesWho's OnlineNikeTalk Forums The Kicks Nike Nike Price/Fake Checks Nike Retro Jordan Brand Jordan Brand Price/Fake Checks Other Brands Sneaker Reviews Sneaker Art Sneaker Showcase The Lounge New Platform Questions and Feedback General Music Sports & Training Contests and Sponsor Deals Regional Forums Northeast MD/DC/VA Southeast Midwest Pacific Northwest NorCal SoCal Southwest Canada Philippines The Classifieds Size 11.5 and Above Size 10.5 to 11 Size 9.5 to 10 Size 9 and Under Misc The Vault FAQ Forum News & Updates Archives Nike Archive Nike Retro Archive Jordan Brand Archive Other Brand Archive Lounge Archive Review Archive
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9/12/14 at 9:12am	erupt107th
Im shocked Reply	Reply	post #26612 of 73413
9/12/14 at 9:27am	Mr Marcus
Originally Posted by JJs07 *shrugs*
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9/12/14 at 9:44am	JJs07
Two things I found interesting:Quote:
Dan ConnollyVerified account ‏@danconnollysun
It's my understanding that Davis did not apply for a therapeutic use exemption this year after having one last year. Dont know why
in this article, 1 out of 10 players (in 2011) had an exemption to take adderrall.
If Davis had the exemption last year, I'm not sure why he didn't re-apply....	Reply	Reply	post #26614 of 73413
9/12/14 at 9:51am	ChampCruThik
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9/12/14 at 10:17am	Osh Kosh Bosh
1. Chris Davis deserves this for that dumb **** he said about Hank Aaron is the home run king. Fitting he's busted for the same stuff Hammerin Hank did regularly. 2. Here comes the parade of uninformed troglodytes who think Chris Davis his all those homers because he's on steroids. Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 10:56am	Mr Marcus
Wait, what he say about hank?	Reply	Reply	post #26617 of 73413
9/12/14 at 10:59am	JJs07
Originally Posted by Mr Marcus Wait, what he say about hank?
I mean, is it really that dumb?Quote:
"I think you have to look at the body of work that not only Hank Aaron put in but also Barry Bonds," Davis told USA TODAY Sports. "Bonds was a great player for a long time. But it's hard to say that Hank Aaron's record isn't the legitimate home run record because of all the allegations, the accusations regarding Bonds."
It's a bit hypocritical (now) since he's suspended...but there are a lot of people who share the same sentiments.
Oh, and the O's are 14-4 w/ Davis out of the lineup. I'm not mad about Delmon Young getting more ABs.	Reply	Reply	post #26618 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:10am	Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by JJs07 I mean, is it really that dumb?LinkIt's a bit hypocritical (now) since he's suspended...but there are a lot of people who share the same sentiments.
Oh, and the O's are 14-4 w/ Davis out of the lineup. I'm not mad about Delmon Young getting more ABs.
and those people are stupid, they all took performance enhancing drugs, Barry Bonds just had the misfortune of doing it in the 24 hour media coverage age.
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9/12/14 at 11:12am	Osh Kosh Bosh
Nothing in life annoys me more than double standards.
Barry Bonds is a pariah mean while baseball players from the up until recently had coffee pots in the clubhouse marked "leaded" and "unleaded" so you know which one had lil something extra if you needed it that day. Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 11:13am	Mr Marcus
Yea in my mind Bonds is the king. I'll never back off that cause that whole era was juicing and I'm sure they was during hanks time too.	Reply	Reply	post #26621 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:19am	erupt107th
Bonds is the GOAT. It's a shame we had to take his ring from him in the '02 WS.
I really want to see KC and Seattle make it. That KC crowd would be crazy Reply	Reply	post #26622 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:26am	Thread Starter Proshares
^ What, you scared of the Yanks making it?
Nah, I would love to see Shields & Felix in the postseason making a big start.	Reply	Reply	post #26623 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:44am	Thread Starter Proshares
Discrimination suit poses multiple threats to Jeff Wilpon.Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)Former Mets senior vice president of ticket sales Leigh Castergine has filed a sexual discrimination complaint against Mets chief operating officer Jeff Wilpon, alleging that Wilpon "frequently humiliated" her during her pregnancy, often in the presence of witnesses, and ultimately fired her for seeking a remedy with the team's human resources department.
The Mets issued a statement responding to the allegations which said, "The claims are without merit. Our organization maintains strong policies against any and all forms of discrimination."
The complaint comes as Wilpon and his family seek to stabilize their finances and their hold on the team. It also happens to be hitting the news in the wake of Donald Sterling's forced exit as owner of the Los Angeles Clippers, Bruce Levenson selling his share of the Atlanta Hawks, means Wilpon's actions are going to be discussed within the framework of another league seeing multiple owners depart over questions of discrimination.
Merits aside, the complaint seems designed to take advantage of this, as well as the Wilpon family's involvement in Bernard Madoff's Ponzi schemes, and their subsequent public mistatements about the state of their own and the team's finances.
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At one point, the complaint says, "Moreover, the team has been unable to acquire premier talent, in part, because of its serious financial woes. ... The Team's ownership and front office have only made things worse. For example, Mets executives persisted in publicly denying the Team's financial difficulties despite the obvious freefall in player payroll ... each season, the Mets' front office insisted that the team had the ability to spend money on new players, only to see payroll drop even further."
Castergine is a Wharton-educated businesswoman who received a promotion from the Mets just prior to her pregnancy. She could be a tricky opponent in a courtroom, and she's certain to be a problematic opponent for Wilpon and the Mets in the public eye.
That leaves the question of exactly why this case didn't settle before Castergine filed. A two-week period offered the chronological opportunity, and multiple attorneys I spoke to described it as extremely unlikely that Anne C. Vladeck, the decorated, top-shelf attorney representing Castergine (sort of an anti-Gloria Allred), would have proceeded without attempting a settlement.
It is of course possible that Wilpon has a solid, factual defense. But cases have often been settled in spite of this, particularly when the defendant is an owner in the litigation-averse world of Major League Baseball.
Another possibility is that Castergine is asking for more money than Wilpon, the son of Mets owner Fred Wilpon, is capable of paying. The statutes under which the suit was filed do not carry with them caps on damages. And with Castergine seeking not just compensatory damages but punitive damages, a jury that found Wilpon liable would be instructed to set out an amount commensurate with what he can pay, and one designed to sting.
Remember, this is still the same family that managed to settle with Irving Picard, trustee for the Bernie Madoff victims, because they were out of funds back in 2012. Since then, they've managed to stay afloat largely by borrowing against the skyrocketing equity in their 65 percent stake in S.N.Y., using the local sports television network boom to stave off bankruptcy.
But borrowing further against that to pay off a potential sexual discrimination lawsuit, doing so quickly, and in time to avoid a lawsuit is not easy. Nor is any insurer they have to cover such events likely to be sympathetic to a quick resolution, avoiding any further damage to Wilpon's reputation. Said insurer wouldn't much care what happens to Wilpon's public standing.
It is also possible that this is about more than the possibility of monetary damages. Certainly, the complaint signals that the plaintiff is also well aware of the power of the allegations to affect the Wilpons in the court of public opinion, as well as their standing in the league.
The fact that these are still only allegations means that unlike the cases in which a secret tape and elevator video forced the N.B.A. and N.F.L. to take action against a racist owner and wife-beating star player, respectively, Major League Baseball isn't yet compelled to do anything. But it faces a potential crisis should it not even try to determine whether a team owner acted as Castergine alleges Wilpon did. Failing to investigate the matter fully, at least, is going to look awful within the public context of N.F.L. commissioner Roger Goodell's actions after the league was sent a tape of Rice knocking his fiancee unconscious and dragging her out of an elevator.
The structure of the lawsuit itself, too, makes potential league actions more complicated. As a veteran attorney in sexual discrimination matters explained it, by pointing out how many other people in the organization—such as chief financial officer Lou DiPaoli and chief counsel David Cohen—allegedly failed to act, it poses a threat not just to Jeff Wilpon but to the collective management of the New York Mets.
Figuring all this out, for now, is Bud Selig, who is commissioner of baseball until January. In 2014, the conversation has been about Selig's legacy, something clearly important to him. The extent to which the Mets have been gutted, as part of his legacy, is both seldom talked about publicly, and something acutely understood by both the team's fan base and most of Wilpon's fellow owners.
M.L.B. walked a noncommittal line on Wednesday night.
But if Jeff Wilpon lacks the cash to make this go away, or Leigh Castergine decides she wants more than cash for it to happen, then Bud Selig will have to make a decision about whether to let one of his owners go to trial, or to do whatever he can to prevent that from happening.
Should the proceedings extend beyond January, and Selig punts, new commissioner Rob Manfred will have the opportunity to weigh in. Manfred, whose first public appearance after winning the job of commissioner-elect was to watch Mo'ne Davis pitch, will be acutely aware of what his actions in this matter will tell the public about him.
The state of the Wilpons, as owners, wasn't great before the lawsuit. The team's debt of more than $600 million against their ownership stake in S.N.Y. comes due next year. It either needs to be paid, which obviously can't happen, or re-financed the way the $250 million debt against the team was this past year. That would also need to be approved by Major League Baseball.
Back in 2011, Selig nixed a potential deal between wayward Dodgers owner Frank McCourt and Fox for the Dodgers' television rights, citing concern over the "further diversion of Dodgers assets for the personal needs of Mr. McCourt."
By contrast, Selig approved the re-finance of Mets team debt in 2014, and it was widely expected the same would be true of Manfred with the 2015 S.N.Y. debt. One who clearly expected it was Fred Wilpon, who forcefully advocated for
 Manfred during a contentious election battle last month before crowing about Manfred's election in the owner-sympathetic Daily News.
But Selig and Wilpon who shared a long history together. Manfred's treatment of the Wilpons will likely be less about their relationship and more about what level of unseemliness he's willing to endure before he decides things have to change.
Hopefully this starts the process of getting these bastards out of baseball.	Reply	Reply	post #26624 of 73413
9/12/14 at 11:57am	JohnnyRedStorm
Pro man, if Bud does man, I'll forgive him for overlooking PEDs and ending that All Star game in a tie. Get the Coupons out of here. Please Mr. Selig.	Reply	Reply	post #26625 of 73413
9/12/14 at 12:06pm	Thread Starter Proshares
I doubt it. They're so close. I doubt it's all on him but I'm surprised the Mets didn't suspend him like a lot of people thought they would after it came out. Keith Law said it best the night before...he should have been put on unpaid leave and removed from the boards...this is really specific stuff and league is dismissing it as employee on employee stuff.	Reply	Reply	post #26626 of 73413
9/12/14 at 12:22pm	JJs07
Barry Bonds is the home run kind, live with it.
Who is "they all?" A bit speculative, no? I might give credence to your tired argument if guys like Griffey Jr., Thome, Thomas, etc. are found to have done similar things.	Reply	Reply	post #26627 of 73413
9/12/14 at 2:24pm	Osh Kosh Bosh
Originally Posted by JJs07 Who is "they all?" A bit speculative, no? I might give credence to your tired argument if guys like Griffey Jr., Thome, Thomas, etc. are found to have done similar things.
"They all" meaning the older baseball players in the hall, specifically willie mays and hank aaron who have admitted it in the past.
when you read about the culture of baseball it's hard to imagine a player NEVER taking amphetamines if they played between like 1920-2006, it was SOOO ingrained in the culture of the sport.
Griffey, Thome and Thomas I have no idea if they took steroids, but logic suggest they probably popped a greenie or two.	Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 2:33pm	dland24
Anyone ever read this before? I know its an opinion piece (which is slightly dated), but it makes sense:
Hammerin' Hank Aaron: Was he on 'Roids?
The San Francisco Chronicle, in a May 3rd 2005 article quoted former Major League pitcher Tom House of the Atlanta Braves as saying that steroids were rampant in the game in the late '60s and throughout the '70s.
House, perhaps best known for catching Hank Aaron's 715th home run ball in 1974 in the Atlanta Braves bullpen, said he and several teammates used amphetamines, human growth hormone and 'whatever steroid' they could find in order to keep up with the competition.
House, 58, estimated that six or seven pitchers per team were at least experimenting with steroids or human growth hormone. He said players talked about losing to opponents using more effective drugs, "We didn't get beat, we got out-milligrammed", he said. "And when you found out what they were taking, you started taking them".
Congress suggested that Baseball hid a steroid problem. However, as you will read Bowie Kuhn suppressed that notion. After the jump, Protrade's incredible argument about Aaron's juice.
According to Rep. Henry A. Waxman in his March 17,2005 opening statement before the House Government Reform Committee:
"Congress first investigated drugs and professional sports, including steroids over 30 years ago. I think perhaps the only two people in the room who will remember this are me and Commissioner Selig, because I believe he became owner in 1970".
In 1973, the year I first ran for Congress, the House Committee on Interstate and Foreign Commerce concluded a year-long investigation that found--and I quote--"drug use exists...in all sports and levels of competition...In some instances, the danger of improper drug use--primarily amphetamines and anabolic steroids--can only be described as alarming". Bowie Kuhn, and the powers that be at the time, quietly squashed the entire tawdry episode and with good reason: it would cast suspicions on an African-American slugger who was challenging one of baseball's most cherished records: The career record for home runs.
Compare Hank Aaron's stats at the beginning of his career and then notice how his HR% began to increase beginning when Hammerin' Hank was 37 years old.
HR% is defined as being the number of HRs per 100 ABs.
Nothing unusual about these statistics; it is a typical profile of a slugger in decline as he ages. But then Hank began to undergo an 'enhancement.'
What explains this spike at a latter age? Expansion? Perhaps. But then what happens?
Hank...What's going on buddy? Aaron's HR% were TOPS in the NL in both 1971 and 1972. Hmm.
Which leads us to 1973 when at age 40 in just 392 at bats, juiced 40 HR's for a HR% of 10.2. Once again TOPS in NL for the THIRD STRAIGHT YEAR and the HIGHEST HR% in the ENTIRE 23 year career of Hank Aaron.
Hank Aaron at 40 was not the only Atlanta Brave to hit 40 Hrs that season. Teammates Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson blasted 41 and 43 HRs respectively.
Year HRs HR%
1971 12 4.6
1972 19 4.5
1973 41 6.9
1974 25 4.4
1975 22 2.8
Notice a statistical anomaly? Let's see what Davey Johnson did.
1971 18 3.5
1972 5 1.3
1973 43 7.7
1974 15 3.3
1975 Played 1 game
1976 Did not play MLB
Notice a statistical anomaly? It would be one thing for Hank Aaron to undergo an 'enhancement', but what are the odds that not one but TWO teammates would both have career years in HR's and HR% in the SAME YEAR as when a Congressional Committee issued its final report saying that anabolic steroids were rampant in the game? Why did Darrell Evans and Davey Johnson both experience career spikes in HR's only to return to earth the following year?
And how did Hank finish up?
41 20 5.9
42 12 2.6
43 10 3.7
So what happened? Enquiring minds want to know.
The 1996 Baltimore Orioles set at the time the team HR record for one season. Brady Anderson's 50 HR season was viewed suspiciously.
The manager of the 1996 Baltimore Orioles? Davey Johnson.
The only question remains: What did Bud Selig know and when did he know it?
Fay Vincent circulated a draft steroids policy in 1991. Selig knew that if the scab of steroids was picked off, the **** of the 1973 Atlanta Braves would be oozing all over the game. The scandal of Hank Aaron's HR record being tainted by steroids use would have been a PR disaster at the time and. personally, extremely painful to Bud Selig who, after all, is a long-time friend of Hank Aaron.
Hence the boardroom coup which ousted Fay Vincent and made Bud Selig 'Acting Commissioner', while still maintaining his position as the owner of the Milwaukee Brewers, a blatant conflict of interest.
So long as Bud Selig remains in charge of Major League Baseball, the American public will never get to the bottom of the steroids scandal which has sullied the game. He has too much of a personal vested interest in Hank Aaron.
Besides, after this season, Barry Lamar Bonds will BE the HR KING.
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9/12/14 at 2:35pm	Osh Kosh Bosh
as I've said before, most of the power hitters from bonds era had a late career power surges. the trend historically is that power starts declining 29/30.
Jim Thomes top 5 power years came as a regular came after the age of 30.
3 of Frank Thomas top 5 power years came after the age of 30.
Did they all take steroids I don't know, but as I have stated many times I don't think it has anything to do with steroids, they were feasting on thinned out pitching from rapid post strike expansion. Griffey was too injured to take advantage of this, if he was healthy he might have hit 73 like Bonds. (though I do not think griffey game would have ever aged as greacefully as Bonds.)	Instagram. | just my art and photography. #NT will follow back. Also Flickr.
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9/12/14 at 3:18pm	JohnnyRedStorm
Balco played a part in Barry's grace.	Reply	Reply	post #26631 of 73413
9/12/14 at 3:27pm	Jewbacca
I don't care if Bonds took more roids than a pro wrestler. How locked in he was during those Balco years was incredible He would literally get 1 pitch to hit per game, and he would crush it Reply	Reply	post #26632 of 73413
9/12/14 at 3:53pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
My Fav player of all time. Fortunate to see him play in person growing up	Reply	Reply	post #26633 of 73413
9/12/14 at 6:59pm	Ballerific703
http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11513292/chris-davis-problem-baltimore-orioles-problem
Thought this was a very interesting article about Chris Davis' addiction. Didn't know you were tested that many times and were told when you failed that you will be tested again. Worth reading fellas.	Reply	Reply	post #26634 of 73413
9/12/14 at 8:06pm	PacificNorseWst
I've never...A's pulled their DH from the game, so if I heard right, Hammel now has to bat. It's only the 3rd inning.
Edit: Moved Norris to catcher from the DH spot...That's why. Still interesting.	Vikings | Timberwolves | Mariners | Twins | Huskies aka 651
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9/12/14 at 9:13pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
My cousin caught the HR ball from Cano Reply	Reply	post #26636 of 73413
9/12/14 at 9:16pm	jcmojica24
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9/12/14 at 9:19pm	dmxfury
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9/12/14 at 9:21pm	JumpmanFromDaBay
With Kershaw pitching Sunday, Giants need to win tonight and Tomorrow	Reply	Reply	post #26639 of 73413
9/12/14 at 10:48pm	jcmojica24
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9/13/14 at 3:45am	JJs07
Originally Posted by Ballerific703 http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/11513292/chris-davis-problem-baltimore-orioles-problem
Thought this was a very interesting article about Chris Davis' addiction. Didn't know you were tested that many times and were told when you failed that you will be tested again. Worth reading fellas.
Davis also battled alcohol addiction...that kinda flew under the radar as well.	Reply	Reply	« Previous1…885886887888889890891892893…2448Next »	Start a New Thread	Subscribe	Search This Thread	New Posts All Forums:Forum Nav:HomeSubscriptionsPrivate MessagesWho's OnlineNikeTalk Forums The Kicks Nike Nike Price/Fake Checks Nike Retro Jordan Brand Jordan Brand Price/Fake Checks Other Brands Sneaker Reviews Sneaker Art Sneaker Showcase The Lounge New Platform Questions and Feedback General Music Sports & Training Contests and Sponsor Deals Regional Forums Northeast MD/DC/VA Southeast Midwest Pacific Northwest NorCal SoCal Southwest Canada Philippines The Classifieds Size 11.5 and Above Size 10.5 to 11 Size 9.5 to 10 Size 9 and Under Misc The Vault FAQ Forum News & Updates Archives Nike Archive Nike Retro Archive Jordan Brand Archive Other Brand Archive Lounge Archive Review Archive
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