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Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 9:57:37 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Jun 11, 2004 9:57:37 GMT -5
Aigooooo! Is Yu-gin crazy or just plain stupid. It's one thing to be filial, quite another to be a masochist. How could she go back to that house?
I'm very discontent. It's like the we can't ever move on from the same dang plot! Here comes HK and HR and they still love each other and their will be more crying scenes...
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:43:16 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Jun 11, 2004 12:43:16 GMT -5
How many more episodes are there to go? At the end of last night's episode, with that big smile from MJ, I thought for a second that it was the end of the series: Little MJ, Happy at Last! Then I remembered all the loose ends.
Did anyone else think that fast-forward (while a blessed relief) was awkward and strange? Structurally, it seemed like they just decided arbitrarily that now was a good time to skip over a year. And then that picnic really threw me. What was that for?
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:53:28 GMT -5
Post by eaglestorm on Jun 11, 2004 12:53:28 GMT -5
KBS just wants to save money by not having to go to any trouble setting up extra sets....It is cheaper just to keep MJ and YJ at the Oh residence!
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:56:20 GMT -5
Post by jenny on Jun 11, 2004 12:56:20 GMT -5
It was the typical Korean Drama fast forward, with lots of Happy Family Scenes. It seemed normal from that point of view!
As for how many eps. are left, should I leave spoiler space?
Was that enough space? I've never left spoiler space before! I think the last ep. is 178.
I think Yu-jin is stupid in love (isn't that a Beyonce song? ) I don't know how she magically gained the strength to face Granny again, and so soon, but with Min-jae finally saying "I love you" I think she found the strength to deal with anything.
And Florida has been good to Hyun-kyu! He looks a lot cuter, I'm not sure exactly how though. Hair cut, tan, Botox? Maybe he waxed his eyebrows?
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 13:14:33 GMT -5
Post by XB70 on Jun 11, 2004 13:14:33 GMT -5
Actually, OMR has a different nbr of eps... and yeah, I think Yu-jin was hopefully in love...well, she did do some behind the scenes stuff early on aso she could get Min-jae for herself, and that initially didn't go over well with him....
What she really wanted was some MAJOR assurances of where she stood in Min-jae's heart...and knowing now that he truly loved her gave YJ lots of confidence, that if another conflict ever arose btw her and members of the Oh clan ,(and they know that too....) Min-jae will be by her side, first and always....She also needed to know that he truly loved her and appreciated her sacrifices....besides, she likes being part of that family....where is she going to find another mother-in-law like Soon-young or a sister and brother-in-law like Eun-ji and Hyun-kyu? Plus after this incident, Yu-jin knows that Kwei-boon will be a bit more careful and wary around her....and In-hwan will most likely not try to get her mixed up again in any silly situations involving Hyun-kyu's love life......
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 14:21:47 GMT -5
Post by HappyCamper on Jun 11, 2004 14:21:47 GMT -5
XB I think you're right. YJ knows that even though MJ would move out with her he would never really be happy without his family. And now that she knows beyond a doubt that MJ loves her, I think she has the strength to live there and keep her sanity.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 14:28:51 GMT -5
Post by toranaga on Jun 11, 2004 14:28:51 GMT -5
very well stated xb70,you summed up yu-jin perfectly.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 17:00:58 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 11, 2004 17:00:58 GMT -5
I know what you mean. When she uttered those immortal words to Min-jae: "Motakgaeso!" (I can't stand it no more), I thought for sure she was going to serve him with the divorce papers. Too bad, I don't know what type of a low self-esteemed masochist Yu-jin is, but she better be prepared for some battles going back into the Oh house.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 17:16:55 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 11, 2004 17:16:55 GMT -5
Beyonce's song was "Krazy In Love," and by that she meant gettin' some! ;D The question is: has Yu-jin been gettin' some, real-to-goodness L-O-V-E, I mean. Does Min-jae truly love her as his #1, or is the Oh family that he so desparately wants to be a part of always going to come first? Does Soon-young love her, other than the empathy for another hapless "daughter-in-law" in the wretched Oh family? Does Grandma Kwi-boon give a d@#n about her, knowing full well that any child she bears is a Kang, not an Oh.
I'd say Yu-jin is definitely dumb and insane in love, not "krazy" the way Beyonce portrays it dancing and without a care in the world. Yu-jin, good luck and I hope you have your attorney's number handy, not to mention paperwork to file restraining orders.
On a lighter note, Hyun Kyu coming back from Orlando, in fact any guy coming back from South Florida always has that sun-kissed, healthy look with a certain "je-ne-sais-quoi." He must have checked himself into a health spa, gotten a makeover at a hair salon, shopped for new threads at some men's boutique. ;D
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 21:23:28 GMT -5
Post by redstone911 on Jun 11, 2004 21:23:28 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see it as an example of low self-esteem or as a sign of masochistic tendencies....Although she herself is guilty of improper action or of errors of judgement, I don't see it in this case....As it has been stated before, what she truly wanted was to see where she stood in Min-jae's life, especially in this situation where these two didn't have regular romantic relationship before they got married....On the surface, if people didn't know her true feelings for Min-jae, they might even think that this was an arranged marriage.
It also helped when Soon-young spoke to her at the office, and even that friendly phone call from Eun-ji...At least, she knew she could rely on her mother-in-law and her sister-in-law for moral support...and there was genuine love and affection btw her and the other two...And of course, Yu-jin was definitely touched by Min-jae's little notes and letters in the can, especially when he reminisced about their past encounters...and this coming from a man she knew had a hard time expressing his feelings...here he was writing some very sincere and deep words of love to her....Min-jae may have his faults, but insincerity isn't one of them....
And last but not least, that conversation at the cafe; we cannot downplay how important and was to her, when he spoke to her from the heart......
And looking at the other factors, there was also the strong disapproval coming from Yu-jin's parents, especially her father who understood the depth of feeling she had for Min-jae, and he also knew the story of how she managed to get him to marry her, and the behind-the-scenes stuff she did, trying to create an even wider gulf btw Min-jae and Hye-ran...
Dong-pyo's words may seem a bit harsh but in effect he was saying: "You made your bed, now lie in it!"
If she had fallen out of love, then one can understand her divorcing him...but if she had proceeded knowing she still loved him and understanding now that he truly loved her and would forsake his family and Joyland to be with her, and by this divorce, knowing that she was acting against the wishes of her own parents, Yu-jin would certainly live to regret it, just like those other women in real life, who dumped their otherwise good husbands, only to realize later on that these guys were the ones right for them all along....
For Yu-jin, all the reasons, the grievances she had about Min-jae and the Oh family were pretty much being dealt with, accordingly.....So what could possibly motivate her to still leave Min-jae...Perhaps it is PRIDE...but lest we forget, PRIDE is still one of the SEVEN DEADLY SINS...and no good ever came from them....
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 21:50:40 GMT -5
Post by Seoul Calibur on Jun 11, 2004 21:50:40 GMT -5
All I can say is, in eps. 148...what Min-jae should have done after they got home and went to their room, he should have started packing a suitcase and told her that they should spend a few days alone together at a hotel......This couple is stressing themselves out...they need to get away from it all every now and then.......
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 10:13:15 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 13, 2004 10:13:15 GMT -5
Yup, that's precisely what they should have done from the beginning. In fact, given the chronic Oh family dysfunction, they shoulda moved house long time ago! I mean extended families have no positive benefits whatsoever when the dysfunction is this BIG! If you got married and are planning to have kids, buy your own house and make it your OWN loving home. Oh, and make sure it's at least 10 miles away so Grannie can't just walk over or take a quick cab ride. And make sure you have voice-mail/answering service to screen all pesky family phonecalls. ;D
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 16:47:37 GMT -5
Post by Elbs on Jun 13, 2004 16:47:37 GMT -5
this is reminding me of "Everybody Loves Raymond"...
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 19:03:21 GMT -5
Post by Seoul Calibur on Jun 13, 2004 19:03:21 GMT -5
Well, it seems the "only" person displaying true "dysfunctionality"at this point is Kwei-boon....Take her out of the equation, and everybody else is all relaxed and friendly! Of course, under present conditions, Yu-jin and Min-jae shouldn't really be living there, if only to maintain their sanity...but they made that decision together...but after eps. 148, the household situation should be much easier to manage...Kwei-boon would have to be a real nut case to start stirring up trouble again.....
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 14, 2004 6:33:05 GMT -5
Post by XB70 on Jun 14, 2004 6:33:05 GMT -5
If there is anything of substance about this show, it is that it allows us to see couples in difficult situations that some of us may find ourselves in and allows us to come up with our own ways of dealing with them......
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Crazy or just plan stupid?
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 9:57:37 GMT -5
Post by galacticchick on Jun 11, 2004 9:57:37 GMT -5
Aigooooo! Is Yu-gin crazy or just plain stupid. It's one thing to be filial, quite another to be a masochist. How could she go back to that house?
I'm very discontent. It's like the we can't ever move on from the same dang plot! Here comes HK and HR and they still love each other and their will be more crying scenes...
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:43:16 GMT -5
Post by Lucy on Jun 11, 2004 12:43:16 GMT -5
How many more episodes are there to go? At the end of last night's episode, with that big smile from MJ, I thought for a second that it was the end of the series: Little MJ, Happy at Last! Then I remembered all the loose ends.
Did anyone else think that fast-forward (while a blessed relief) was awkward and strange? Structurally, it seemed like they just decided arbitrarily that now was a good time to skip over a year. And then that picnic really threw me. What was that for?
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:53:28 GMT -5
Post by eaglestorm on Jun 11, 2004 12:53:28 GMT -5
KBS just wants to save money by not having to go to any trouble setting up extra sets....It is cheaper just to keep MJ and YJ at the Oh residence!
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 12:56:20 GMT -5
Post by jenny on Jun 11, 2004 12:56:20 GMT -5
It was the typical Korean Drama fast forward, with lots of Happy Family Scenes. It seemed normal from that point of view!
As for how many eps. are left, should I leave spoiler space?
Was that enough space? I've never left spoiler space before! I think the last ep. is 178.
I think Yu-jin is stupid in love (isn't that a Beyonce song? ) I don't know how she magically gained the strength to face Granny again, and so soon, but with Min-jae finally saying "I love you" I think she found the strength to deal with anything.
And Florida has been good to Hyun-kyu! He looks a lot cuter, I'm not sure exactly how though. Hair cut, tan, Botox? Maybe he waxed his eyebrows?
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 13:14:33 GMT -5
Post by XB70 on Jun 11, 2004 13:14:33 GMT -5
Actually, OMR has a different nbr of eps... and yeah, I think Yu-jin was hopefully in love...well, she did do some behind the scenes stuff early on aso she could get Min-jae for herself, and that initially didn't go over well with him....
What she really wanted was some MAJOR assurances of where she stood in Min-jae's heart...and knowing now that he truly loved her gave YJ lots of confidence, that if another conflict ever arose btw her and members of the Oh clan ,(and they know that too....) Min-jae will be by her side, first and always....She also needed to know that he truly loved her and appreciated her sacrifices....besides, she likes being part of that family....where is she going to find another mother-in-law like Soon-young or a sister and brother-in-law like Eun-ji and Hyun-kyu? Plus after this incident, Yu-jin knows that Kwei-boon will be a bit more careful and wary around her....and In-hwan will most likely not try to get her mixed up again in any silly situations involving Hyun-kyu's love life......
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 14:21:47 GMT -5
Post by HappyCamper on Jun 11, 2004 14:21:47 GMT -5
XB I think you're right. YJ knows that even though MJ would move out with her he would never really be happy without his family. And now that she knows beyond a doubt that MJ loves her, I think she has the strength to live there and keep her sanity.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 14:28:51 GMT -5
Post by toranaga on Jun 11, 2004 14:28:51 GMT -5
very well stated xb70,you summed up yu-jin perfectly.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 17:00:58 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 11, 2004 17:00:58 GMT -5
I know what you mean. When she uttered those immortal words to Min-jae: "Motakgaeso!" (I can't stand it no more), I thought for sure she was going to serve him with the divorce papers. Too bad, I don't know what type of a low self-esteemed masochist Yu-jin is, but she better be prepared for some battles going back into the Oh house.
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 17:16:55 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 11, 2004 17:16:55 GMT -5
Beyonce's song was "Krazy In Love," and by that she meant gettin' some! ;D The question is: has Yu-jin been gettin' some, real-to-goodness L-O-V-E, I mean. Does Min-jae truly love her as his #1, or is the Oh family that he so desparately wants to be a part of always going to come first? Does Soon-young love her, other than the empathy for another hapless "daughter-in-law" in the wretched Oh family? Does Grandma Kwi-boon give a d@#n about her, knowing full well that any child she bears is a Kang, not an Oh.
I'd say Yu-jin is definitely dumb and insane in love, not "krazy" the way Beyonce portrays it dancing and without a care in the world. Yu-jin, good luck and I hope you have your attorney's number handy, not to mention paperwork to file restraining orders.
On a lighter note, Hyun Kyu coming back from Orlando, in fact any guy coming back from 
South Florida always has that sun-kissed, healthy look with a certain "je-ne-sais-quoi." He must have checked himself into a health spa, gotten a makeover at a hair salon, shopped for new threads at some men's boutique. ;D
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 21:23:28 GMT -5
Post by redstone911 on Jun 11, 2004 21:23:28 GMT -5
Personally, I don't see it as an example of low self-esteem or as a sign of masochistic tendencies....Although she herself is guilty of improper action or of errors of judgement, I don't see it in this case....As it has been stated before, what she truly wanted was to see where she stood in Min-jae's life, especially in this situation where these two didn't have regular romantic relationship before they got married....On the surface, if people didn't know her true feelings for Min-jae, they might even think that this was an arranged marriage.
It also helped when Soon-young spoke to her at the office, and even that friendly phone call from Eun-ji...At least, she knew she could rely on her mother-in-law and her sister-in-law for moral support...and there was genuine love and affection btw her and the other two...And of course, Yu-jin was definitely touched by Min-jae's little notes and letters in the can, especially when he reminisced about their past encounters...and this coming from a man she knew had a hard time expressing his feelings...here he was writing some very sincere and deep words of love to her....Min-jae may have his faults, but insincerity isn't one of them....
And last but not least, that conversation at the cafe; we cannot downplay how important and was to her, when he spoke to her from the heart......
And looking at the other factors, there was also the strong disapproval coming from Yu-jin's parents, especially her father who understood the depth of feeling she had for Min-jae, and he also knew the story of how she managed to get him to marry her, and the behind-the-scenes stuff she did, trying to create an even wider gulf btw Min-jae and Hye-ran...
Dong-pyo's words may seem a bit harsh but in effect he was saying: "You made your bed, now lie in it!"
If she had fallen out of love, then one can understand her divorcing him...but if she had proceeded knowing she still loved him and understanding now that he truly loved her and would forsake his family and Joyland to be with her, and by this divorce, knowing that she was acting against the wishes of her own parents, Yu-jin would certainly live to regret it, just like those other women in real life, who dumped their otherwise good husbands, only to realize later on that these guys were the ones right for them all along....
For Yu-jin, all the reasons, the grievances she had about Min-jae and the Oh family were pretty much being dealt with, accordingly.....So what could possibly motivate her to still leave Min-jae...Perhaps it is PRIDE...but lest we forget, PRIDE is still one of the SEVEN DEADLY SINS...and no good ever came from them....
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 11, 2004 21:50:40 GMT -5
Post by Seoul Calibur on Jun 11, 2004 21:50:40 GMT -5
All I can say is, in eps. 148...what Min-jae should have done after they got home and went to their room, he should have started packing a suitcase and told her that they should spend a few days alone together at a hotel......This couple is stressing themselves out...they need to get away from it all every now and then.......
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 10:13:15 GMT -5
Post by jacques on Jun 13, 2004 10:13:15 GMT -5
Yup, that's precisely what they should have done from the beginning. In fact, given the chronic Oh family dysfunction, they shoulda moved house long time ago! I mean extended families have no positive benefits whatsoever when the dysfunction is this BIG! If you got married and are planning to have kids, buy your own house and make it your OWN loving home. Oh, and make sure it's at least 10 miles away so Grannie can't just walk over or take a quick cab ride. And make sure you have voice-mail/answering service to screen all pesky family phonecalls. ;D
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 16:47:37 GMT -5
Post by Elbs on Jun 13, 2004 16:47:37 GMT -5
this is reminding me of "Everybody Loves Raymond"...
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 13, 2004 19:03:21 GMT -5
Post by Seoul Calibur on Jun 13, 2004 19:03:21 GMT -5
Well, it seems the "only" person displaying true "dysfunctionality"at this point is Kwei-boon....Take her out of the equation, and everybody else is all relaxed and friendly! Of course, under present conditions, Yu-jin and Min-jae shouldn't really be living there, if only to maintain their sanity...but they made that decision together...but after eps. 148, the household situation should be much easier to manage...Kwei-boon would have to be a real nut case to start stirring up trouble again.....
Crazy or just plan stupid? Jun 14, 2004 6:33:05 GMT -5
Post by XB70 on Jun 14, 2004 6:33:05 GMT -5
If there is anything of substance about this show, it is that it allows us to see couples in difficult situations that some of us may find ourselves in and allows us to come up with our own ways of dealing with them......