Windows 10 - Deeper Impressions - Page 90 - Windows 10 - MSFN
None thus far, save for the usual Youtube bitching. 26 is noticeably faster than previous versions.
... I couldn't remember the name of the new PM engine. Guano? Gonad??
Apparently it's some large Aussie lizard.
Not exactly that one but along the same lines.
LOL, I'm not touching that one with a ten-foot pole...
Demerjian gets to the nub of the issue yet again --
Throughout all of this SemiAccurate has been consistent in its analysis, and that analysis is one all the players involved unquestionably know, modern PCs are awful. Windows 8+, yes 10 included, are awful. They don’t work well. The cheap ones are miserable and die in months, the expensive ones have ‘features’ that make them less functional, heavier, and worse in every way but possibly looks. Intel artificially cripples CPUs at the low-end and prices them painfully on the high-end. Modern PCs are borderline unusable, unsecurable, user unfriendly, and quantifiably worse in almost every way for the user experience than a 5 year old device. Yet PC makers insist the problem is users not understanding the ‘value’ of the new features and ‘exciting’ form factors.
If you look at the sales charts, pick the ones you prefer but they all seem to agree that sales peaked around 2010/2011, about when the change to these new and ‘exciting’ form factors started up. Not coincidentally Windows 8 launched at about the same time. If you read the analyst reports, it isn’t any of this, one quarter it is macroeconomic conditions, commodity prices, hangover from inventory issues, waiting for a new XYZ, or whatever else they can point to. It will all be better in a few quarters or a year, just you wait. At least the message is consistent.
For 5+ years sales have been consistently down, we are now about 100M units/year lower than they were before these changes. The only consistent factors are the new PC form factors that consumers just ‘love’ and ‘want’, and the ‘exciting’ new OS paradigms from Microsoft.
mmm pc's will never drop
dumbest example: you can't have gaming rig stiffed into mobile phone or tablet
and nVidia and AMD with other minors thrive from this
then comes RAM
then come SSD disks
now lets go software based, you can't program normal on something that doesn't have phisical keyboard
and a pointer, so no programming, no 2 and 3D graphics, no multimedia (videos) processing
actually no nothing...
this will only change in hologram "world", but home users won't see or even have this
50 more years AT LEAST, 100 years if humanity lives so much , maybe
Edited January 28, 2016 by vinifera
http://techrights.org/2016/01/21/linux-foundation-coup/
- what if they don't want regular users to go creative?
- what if they want to get and hold monopoly to everything software-related?
- what if they want to turn user devices into read-only dumb terminals than can only play back their content, under strict supervision?
- access Store
- pay for <content>
- download <content>
- consume <content>
- shut down device
Real computers would only be built and delivered to specific, approved persons/enterprises. The rest of the world will only be able to take photos, record private videos and buy buy buy buy buy coyprighted <content> for their dumbed-down hand-held devices running crippled wannabe operating systems. Sounds utopic? Wait and see.
Yes, Agorima, that's the one!
The first option it's too extreme, especially nowadays.
It's a good option, but I don't think they will change their mind soon, unless they will lose market share in computers.
It is also a good option to use Win 10 Enterprise LTSB (yeah, I know it's not for consumers sheeps, and it's not "legal" to use it at home, but it's legal to do what they're doing now?).
I will not consider the last option.
Edited January 28, 2016 by Agorima
Scr*w you and your f@#$%^g updates!!!
Windows 10: Making mild people profane since 2015
I've been sayin' that for a long time.
No professional OS is available from Microsoft. Not EXTERNALLY. But what will they be developing future versions of Windows with?
That being said, Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition is now free for small business users, and it DOES seem to be a bit improved over 2013 - so it's hard to complain too loudly just yet.
You have to wonder what a company like Adobe (given all the content creation stuff they offer) thinks about all this... Well, it's pretty clear they're embracing Macintosh in a big way, so maybe they're not that worried. Imagine that: Macs to create serious/business content, and PCs to consume it.
It all depends on what the user wants or needs to do on their machine.
In my opinion, an operating system:
- must be a simple but solid framework, built with flexibility and extensibility in mind, but most of all with compatibility
- should never be allowed to refuse an application built for it, regardless of that application's initial compatibility
- should always adapt to whatever hardware it's being run on and should never be allowed to refuse any particular piece of hardware as long as it's compatible
- should always be in user's control, not the other way around
- should be completely standalone, never tied to remote resources or require confirmation from remote third-parties
- should never waste any kind of resources "just in case" or "because there's plenty at hand"
and I could probably list a few more ideal characteristics of an operating system but we already realized that the world currently does not have a real operating system. Unless it's so well hidden that we never heard of it. But even so, I bet it's not in Microsoft's locker. Because they just can't code.
it would be sad to see all of the progress made just vanish overnight.
I know, right? It's vanishing as we speak and we are indeed sad. Most folks don't realize how big a deal it is that Microsoft decided to concentrate on frivolity and leave the work to someone else. It MEANS something, and it might well change the world - for the worse!
... Imagine that: Macs to create serious/business content, and PCs to consume it.
One of the potential lesser evils I contemplate for after 2020 is going Hackintosh.
Macintosh! I miss those days! I ran one up until about 2010 when it met its down fall. Water and electronics don't mix well. I hated the UI, but loved the fact that it just kept going also it had more than 2 usb port (if you include the keyboard ports). If given the choice resurrect my dead Macintosh PC or install Windows 10 I would run for that cabin in the woods NoelC was talking about!
Windows 10 - Deeper Impressions - Page 90 - Windows 10 - MSFN
None thus far, save for the usual Youtube bitching. 26 is noticeably faster than previous versions.
... I couldn't remember the name of the new PM engine. Guano? Gonad??
Apparently it's some large Aussie lizard.
Not exactly that one but along the same lines.
LOL, I'm not touching that one with a ten-foot pole...
Demerjian gets to the nub of the issue yet again --
Throughout all of this SemiAccurate has been consistent in its analysis, and that analysis is one all the players involved unquestionably know, modern PCs are awful. Windows 8+, yes 10 included, are awful. They don’t work well. The cheap ones are miserable and die in months, the expensive ones have ‘features’ that make them less functional, heavier, and worse in every way but possibly looks. Intel artificially cripples CPUs at the low-end and prices them painfully on the high-end. Modern PCs are borderline unusable, unsecurable, user unfriendly, and quantifiably worse in almost every way for the user experience than a 5 year old device. Yet PC makers insist the problem is users not understanding the ‘value’ of the new features and ‘exciting’ form factors.
If you look at the sales charts, pick the ones you prefer but they all seem to agree that sales peaked around 2010/2011, about when the change to these new and ‘exciting’ form factors started up. Not coincidentally Windows 8 launched at about the same time. If you read the analyst reports, it isn’t any of this, one quarter it is macroeconomic conditions, commodity prices, hangover from inventory issues, waiting for a new XYZ, or whatever else they can point to. It will all be better in a few quarters or a year, just you wait. At least the message is consistent.
For 5+ years sales have been consistently down, we are now about 100M units/year lower than they were before these changes. The only consistent factors are the new PC form factors that consumers just ‘love’ and ‘want’, and the ‘exciting’ new OS paradigms from Microsoft.
mmm pc's will never drop
dumbest example: you can't have gaming rig stiffed into mobile phone or tablet
and nVidia and AMD with other minors thrive from this
then comes RAM
then come SSD disks
now lets go software based, you can't program normal on something that doesn't have phisical keyboard
and a pointer, so no programming, no 2 and 3D graphics, no multimedia (videos) processing
actually no nothing...
this will only change in hologram "world", but home users won't see or even have this
50 more years AT LEAST, 100 years if humanity lives so much , maybe
Edited January 28, 2016 by vinifera
http://techrights.org/2016/01/21/linux-foundation-coup/
- what if they don't want regular users to go creative?
- what if they want to get and hold monopoly to everything software-related?
- what if they want to turn user devices into read-only dumb terminals than can only play back their content, under strict supervision?
- access Store
- pay for <content>
- download <content>
- consume <content>
- shut down device
Real computers would only be built and delivered to specific, approved persons/enterprises. The rest of the world will only be able to take photos, record private videos and buy buy buy buy buy coyprighted <content> for their dumbed-down
 hand-held devices running crippled wannabe operating systems. Sounds utopic? Wait and see.
Yes, Agorima, that's the one!
The first option it's too extreme, especially nowadays.
It's a good option, but I don't think they will change their mind soon, unless they will lose market share in computers.
It is also a good option to use Win 10 Enterprise LTSB (yeah, I know it's not for consumers sheeps, and it's not "legal" to use it at home, but it's legal to do what they're doing now?).
I will not consider the last option.
Edited January 28, 2016 by Agorima
Scr*w you and your f@#$%^g updates!!!
Windows 10: Making mild people profane since 2015
I've been sayin' that for a long time.
No professional OS is available from Microsoft. Not EXTERNALLY. But what will they be developing future versions of Windows with?
That being said, Visual Studio 2015 Community Edition is now free for small business users, and it DOES seem to be a bit improved over 2013 - so it's hard to complain too loudly just yet.
You have to wonder what a company like Adobe (given all the content creation stuff they offer) thinks about all this... Well, it's pretty clear they're embracing Macintosh in a big way, so maybe they're not that worried. Imagine that: Macs to create serious/business content, and PCs to consume it.
It all depends on what the user wants or needs to do on their machine.
In my opinion, an operating system:
- must be a simple but solid framework, built with flexibility and extensibility in mind, but most of all with compatibility
- should never be allowed to refuse an application built for it, regardless of that application's initial compatibility
- should always adapt to whatever hardware it's being run on and should never be allowed to refuse any particular piece of hardware as long as it's compatible
- should always be in user's control, not the other way around
- should be completely standalone, never tied to remote resources or require confirmation from remote third-parties
- should never waste any kind of resources "just in case" or "because there's plenty at hand"
and I could probably list a few more ideal characteristics of an operating system but we already realized that the world currently does not have a real operating system. Unless it's so well hidden that we never heard of it. But even so, I bet it's not in Microsoft's locker. Because they just can't code.
it would be sad to see all of the progress made just vanish overnight.
I know, right? It's vanishing as we speak and we are indeed sad. Most folks don't realize how big a deal it is that Microsoft decided to concentrate on frivolity and leave the work to someone else. It MEANS something, and it might well change the world - for the worse!
... Imagine that: Macs to create serious/business content, and PCs to consume it.
One of the potential lesser evils I contemplate for after 2020 is going Hackintosh.
Macintosh! I miss those days! I ran one up until about 2010 when it met its down fall. Water and electronics don't mix well. I hated the UI, but loved the fact that it just kept going also it had more than 2 usb port (if you include the keyboard ports). If given the choice resurrect my dead Macintosh PC or install Windows 10 I would run for that cabin in the woods NoelC was talking about!