BuzzMachine: Posts from December 21, 2004
Posts from December 21, 2004
December 21, 2004 by Jeff Jarvis
Comments »	Wiki spam?
: I checked in the Global Voices wiki and what do I find but what appears to be wiki spam. Bastards.
Comments »	And God rolled His eyes III
: A very good discussion — which we’re all emphasizing is a discussion, not a fight — continues with Hugh Hewitt here and here and Powerline here. What this is coming down to, in part, is whether the struggle (not war, as Hugh says) over a creche in city hall is an attack on the religious soul of the people (as they say, if I’m getting it right) or a media ploy by both sides (as I say) and thus, we differ on the cultural importance of this.
Comments »	You’re not alone, Craig
: Craig Newmark writes: “I (heart) wonkette.”
Comments »	Santa Slate
: Howard Kurtz just reported that The Washington Post has bought Slate. Here’s Slate Editor Jacob Weisberg’s announcement.
Howard just called to get react from the two-headed hydra I am as Media Man by day and Blog Boy by night. I said it’s a good thing for both; they fit well together, not unlike Dow Jones and Marketwatch. Kurtz said the Post’s rationale is that it will bring them more traffic while they bring Slate better ad sales (and thus the first taste of profitablity, they hope).
But I also said that the Post could have met the same goals without the cost and without the risk by establishing with a network of citizens’ media, selling ads on and getting traffic from and extending their reach through the best blogs, which can then stay independent.
That requires thinking in a distributed way and that’s hard for the old centralized marketplaces to do.
Comments »	The FCC dodges
: I just got a reply, of sorts, to the Freedom of Information request I filed with the FCC asking for all documents “that contend or support the contention that Viacom and any of its subsidiaries — including but not limited to CBS and MTV — or executivesa were in any way aware before the fact that Janet Jackson’s breast would be exposed on the Super Bowl telecast.” The FCC said the exposure was the only illegal act and the company was the only guilty party — Jackson and Timberlake were not fined — and so I wanted to see what evidence they had the Viacom was directly responsible for the incident. My bet is that they have none and that will come out in court.
The FCC produced nothing in its reponse. Its letter says (leaving out the typographical omelet of the legal citations):
It would be inappropriate for us to characterize any evidence before us in the manner that you suggest because the Commission has issued a Notice of Apparent Liability (NAL) concerning the halftime entertainment show of the National Football League’s Super Bowl XXXVIII and the exposure of Janet Jackson’s breast.
The FOIA requires a reasonable description of the records sought. If, upon review of the NAL, you determine there are specific records you would like to obtain, you may file a new FOIA request with a better description of the documents you seek….”
I thought I was quite clear. Perhaps an attorney out there could give me better language to file this again. I want to see any interviews with the parties or documents from the parties related to Viacom and company’s foreknowledge of this event. From this letter, I’m not sure whether they’re saying I did not describe the documents properly or they shouldn’t discuss the case while it is active or both or neither. In any case, they dodged the question. So the only thing to do in dodgeball is to pick it up and throw it again.
The other way to go is for me to call the PR department but I think I’ll stay with this one more round as I also await my other FOIAs.
Comment »	My Iraqi friends
: Omar and Mohammed are back in Iraq and back on the blog. They write:
The three of us will never quit fighting for freedom and democracy along with our brothers and sisters in Iraq and the rest of the world and now we’re doing this with more confidence and faith in a better future as we knew that Americans supported freedom in Iraq but we had no idea how great this support is and how committed the American people are for the success in Iraq until we saw it in our trip.
We will never disappoint you because basically we’re fighting for our dream.
The third brother, Ali, said the other day that he is leaving the blog. I don’t know why; that’s a matter between brothers. But we do know that Ali defending his brothers against foolishness while they were in America and at the time, I got a nice note from him.
The three of them are courageous defenders of their freedom. I hope they remain safe and continue their good work. Welcome home.
Comment »	And God rolled His eyes II
Comments »	And God rolled His eyes II
: Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt, PowerlineBlog(oftheYear) and others responded to my post below about whether religion is under attack or attacking in America (I said neither statement is true). I first want to thank these good bloggers for the respectful tone of their disagreement; it’s good to debate about a war without going to war (especially about religion). I was sorry I didn’t have the time yesterday to respond. Now I’ll try.
Start here: No one is this country is being stopped from worshipping as they please. No churches or synagogues or mosques are being shut by mob or government edict. That would indeed constitute a war against Christianity and religion; that would be illegal, unconstitutional, unAmerican, and wrong. But I don’t see that happening. And if I did, I would be fighting that with my full First Amendment fervor.
Ah, but you might say that you’re prevented from putting a creche in front of city hall or singing Christmas carols in school. But be careful, for if you’re using that as an argument of religious persecution, you end up arguing that you want city hall and the school to become a place of worship and that does raise issues. You can’t have it both ways: You can’t argue that the creche and the carol are harmless displays of culture and then argue that preventing them is religious persection that prevents worship. That doesn’t wash.
I’ll repeat that I think it is silly and argumentative to demand the right to put a creche at city hall when there are so many other places where you can put it and when there are legitimate Constitutional questions about this. But I also think it’s silly and argumentative for the other side to fight to stop it, for if we talk about celebrating the culture and diversity of this country then I say let’s start celebrating. And I am tired of this annual charade.
Next, if your argument is that there is a war against religion in this country because there are more signs of secular life and more people who reject religion — well, folks, that is their right in this country. And so, that is a problem of marketing, not Constitutionality. If you lose converts it could well be because they don’t like your message or how you deliver it. If Coke loses customers to Pepsi, Coke isn’t being persecuted; it’s facing competition. We believe in competition in America — even for minds, yes, even for souls. That is the essence of the First Amendment: No one side gets an edge up thanks to government. And enforcing that is precisely what protects the free choice of worship — for you don’t want to find government endorsing George’s church today but Hillary’s tomorrow, do you?
And I find arguments that there is a war on Christianity to be disingenuous in a nation that is overwhelmingly Christian. Here, too, you can’t have it both ways: You can’t argue on the one hand that the moral values army is sweeping the land and that’s why George won — and then argue on the other hand that you are a persecuted, downtrodden sect. You can’t play the power card and the persecution (aka paranoia) card at the same time. Doesn’t wash.
I’ll make the same argument to the other side in this alleged war: those who say that American is under attack by the religion of a moral values army. That is the point of my reporting on the FCC and the PTC: The country hasn’t suddenly been taken over by a religious invasion and it’s only the dumb FCC and media that fall for that. To this side, I’ll say that you can’t argue on the one hand that you’ve been overrun by the right and on the other hand that the election was close. Doesn’t wash.
: Hugh says: “I suggest that the issue of indifference or hostility to faith might be far more real than Jeff realizes because he’s never been in a community on the receiving end of bureaucratic venom.” Perhaps. But that is a matter of interpretation. In my town, there is a huge fight over a church wanting to build a big building but I am confident this is a battle over property value, not God.
Hugh disagrees with my take on the PTC’s complaints about religious humor on TV: “Is a joke about race a cause for concern? Or a joke about ethnicity or faith? Does the fairly consistent attempt by cultural elites to belittle and marginalize faith raise any concern for Jarvis?” Certain jokes can be a concern. But I do not think that Christianity in America and God in Heaven are so fragile they can’t take a little ribbing. I do it, too. In church. In the pulpit, even. So this is a matter of degree: I think the PTC’s complaint was ludicrous; they were paranoid. Worse, it was PC! One more time, you can’t have it both ways: You can’t on the one hand say that any joke about religion is off limits and then on the other hand argue (properly) with those who try to say that “Merry Christmas” is off limits. It’s only the flipside of the same PC language tyranny.
Then Hugh argues:
Every time an elitist condemns a person of faith as a “theocrat,” or a scientist rejects an argument against embryonic stem cell research as a “fundamentalists’ position,” the effort to expel faith from the public square advances, and not via debate, but via the sneer…. Jarvis’ jeremiad against focus on conflicts between the sectarian and the secular is itself an attempt to demote issues of faith in the culture to second-class conflicts, beneath the attention of “serious” thinkers –a back lot drama played out by hayseeds and snake handlers. How convenient, and how wrong.
Oh, heck, one more time: I see you trying to play both sides again. On the one hand, you don’t want people to argue with you: You can sneer at their secularism but they can’t sneer at your faith? Well, it might be better if they each debated rather than sneered. But I’d say that “elitist” is itself a sneering word. The point is that people disagree. But disagreement and debate are not war and persecution.
: Meanwhile, over at Powerline, Paul Mirengoff says:
In the end, the real problem is all about lumping: lumping people together in a nation that believes we are individuals. Each of us has the right to worship as we please and so we must allow all our fellow citizens to worship as they please. We speak and vote as we please and allow our fellow citizens to speak and vote as they please. That is what the First Amendment — and America — are all about.
: Powerline also points us to George Washington’s wonderful letter to a Jewish congregation:
…The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support….
Each under his own vine and figtree.
: BrotherBlogger makes my argument better than I did here:
I think the “religious war” so frequently talked about is nothing more than headline grabbers. I don’t doubt that there are those hostile to Christian points of view in America. But it seems a far leap from that to say that these same people want Christianity to somehow disappear and are willing to destroy the First Amendment to do it.
Comments »	Advice to the bloglorn
: Ethan Zuckerman gives colleague Rebecca MacKinnon a little dating advice.
BuzzMachine: Posts from December 21, 2004
Posts from December 21, 2004
December 21, 2004 by Jeff Jarvis
Comments »	Wiki spam?
: I checked in the Global Voices wiki and what do I find but what appears to be wiki spam. Bastards.
Comments »	And God rolled His eyes III
: A very good discussion — which we’re all emphasizing is a discussion, not a fight — continues with Hugh Hewitt here and here and Powerline here. What this is coming down to, in part, is whether the struggle (not war, as Hugh says) over a creche in city hall is an attack on the religious soul of the people (as they say, if I’m getting it right) or a media ploy by both sides (as I say) and thus, we differ on the cultural importance of this.
Comments »	You’re not alone, Craig
: Craig Newmark writes: “I (heart) wonkette.”
Comments »	Santa Slate
: Howard Kurtz just reported that The Washington Post has bought Slate. Here’s Slate Editor Jacob Weisberg’s announcement.
Howard just called to get react from the two-headed hydra I am as Media Man by day and Blog Boy by night. I said it’s a good thing for both; they fit well together, not unlike Dow Jones and Marketwatch. Kurtz said the Post’s rationale is that it will bring them more traffic while they bring Slate better ad sales (and thus the first taste of profitablity, they hope).
But I also said that the Post could have met the same goals without the cost and without the risk by establishing with a network of citizens’ media, selling ads on and getting traffic from and extending their reach through the best blogs, which can then stay independent.
That requires thinking in a distributed way and that’s hard for the old centralized marketplaces to do.
Comments »	The FCC dodges
: I just got a reply, of sorts, to the Freedom of Information request I filed with the FCC asking for all documents “that contend or support the contention that Viacom and any of its subsidiaries — including but not limited to CBS and MTV — or executivesa were in any way aware before the fact that Janet Jackson’s breast would be exposed on the Super Bowl telecast.” The FCC said the exposure was the only illegal act and the company was the only guilty party — Jackson and Timberlake were not fined — and so I wanted to see what evidence they had the Viacom was directly responsible for the incident. My bet is that they have none and that will come out in court.
The FCC produced nothing in its reponse. Its letter says (leaving out the typographical omelet of the legal citations):
It would be inappropriate for us to characterize any evidence before us in the manner that you suggest because the Commission has issued a Notice of Apparent Liability (NAL) concerning the halftime entertainment show of the National Football League’s Super Bowl XXXVIII and the exposure of Janet Jackson’s breast.
The FOIA requires a reasonable description of the records sought. If, upon review of the NAL, you determine there are specific records you would like to obtain, you may file a new FOIA request with a better description of the documents you seek….”
I thought I was quite clear. Perhaps an attorney out there could give me better language to file this again. I want to see any interviews with the parties or documents from the parties related to Viacom and company’s foreknowledge of this event. From this letter, I’m not sure whether they’re saying I did not describe the documents properly or they shouldn’t discuss the case while it is active or both or neither. In any case, they dodged the question. So the only thing to do in dodgeball is to pick it up and throw it again.
The other way to go is for me to call the PR department but I think I’ll stay with this one more round as I also await my other FOIAs.
Comment »	My Iraqi friends
: Omar and Mohammed are back in Iraq and back on the blog. They write:
The three of us will never quit fighting for freedom and democracy along with our brothers and sisters in Iraq and the rest of the world and now we’re doing this with more confidence and faith in a better future as we knew that Americans supported freedom in Iraq but we had no idea how great this support is and how committed the American people are for the success in Iraq until we saw it in our trip.
We will never disappoint you because basically we’re fighting for our dream.
The third brother, Ali, said the other day that he is leaving the blog. I don’t know why; that’s a matter between brothers. But we do know that Ali defending his brothers against foolishness while they were in America and at the time, I got a nice note from him.
The three of them are courageous defenders of their freedom. I hope they remain safe and continue their good work. Welcome home.
Comment »	And God rolled His eyes II
Comments »	And God rolled His eyes II
: Yesterday, Hugh Hewitt, PowerlineBlog(oftheYear) and others responded to my post below about whether religion is under attack or attacking in America (I said neither statement is true). I first want to thank these good bloggers for the respectful tone of their disagreement; it’s good to debate about a war without going to war (especially about religion). I was sorry I didn’t have the time yesterday to respond. Now I’ll try.
Start here: No one is this country is being stopped from worshipping as they please. No churches or synagogues or mosques are being shut by mob or government edict. That would indeed constitute a war against Christianity and religion; that would be illegal, unconstitutional, unAmerican, and wrong. But I don’t see that happening. And if I did, I would be fighting that with my full First Amendment fervor.
Ah, but you might say that you’re prevented from putting a creche in front of city hall or singing Christmas carols in school. But be careful, for if you’re using that as an argument of religious persecution, you end up arguing that you want city hall and the school to become a place of worship and that does raise issues. You can’t have it both ways: You can’t argue that the creche and the carol are harmless displays of culture and then argue that preventing them is religious persection that prevents worship. That doesn’t wash.
I’ll repeat that I think it is silly and argumentative to demand 
the right to put a creche at city hall when there are so many other places where you can put it and when there are legitimate Constitutional questions about this. But I also think it’s silly and argumentative for the other side to fight to stop it, for if we talk about celebrating the culture and diversity of this country then I say let’s start celebrating. And I am tired of this annual charade.
Next, if your argument is that there is a war against religion in this country because there are more signs of secular life and more people who reject religion — well, folks, that is their right in this country. And so, that is a problem of marketing, not Constitutionality. If you lose converts it could well be because they don’t like your message or how you deliver it. If Coke loses customers to Pepsi, Coke isn’t being persecuted; it’s facing competition. We believe in competition in America — even for minds, yes, even for souls. That is the essence of the First Amendment: No one side gets an edge up thanks to government. And enforcing that is precisely what protects the free choice of worship — for you don’t want to find government endorsing George’s church today but Hillary’s tomorrow, do you?
And I find arguments that there is a war on Christianity to be disingenuous in a nation that is overwhelmingly Christian. Here, too, you can’t have it both ways: You can’t argue on the one hand that the moral values army is sweeping the land and that’s why George won — and then argue on the other hand that you are a persecuted, downtrodden sect. You can’t play the power card and the persecution (aka paranoia) card at the same time. Doesn’t wash.
I’ll make the same argument to the other side in this alleged war: those who say that American is under attack by the religion of a moral values army. That is the point of my reporting on the FCC and the PTC: The country hasn’t suddenly been taken over by a religious invasion and it’s only the dumb FCC and media that fall for that. To this side, I’ll say that you can’t argue on the one hand that you’ve been overrun by the right and on the other hand that the election was close. Doesn’t wash.
: Hugh says: “I suggest that the issue of indifference or hostility to faith might be far more real than Jeff realizes because he’s never been in a community on the receiving end of bureaucratic venom.” Perhaps. But that is a matter of interpretation. In my town, there is a huge fight over a church wanting to build a big building but I am confident this is a battle over property value, not God.
Hugh disagrees with my take on the PTC’s complaints about religious humor on TV: “Is a joke about race a cause for concern? Or a joke about ethnicity or faith? Does the fairly consistent attempt by cultural elites to belittle and marginalize faith raise any concern for Jarvis?” Certain jokes can be a concern. But I do not think that Christianity in America and God in Heaven are so fragile they can’t take a little ribbing. I do it, too. In church. In the pulpit, even. So this is a matter of degree: I think the PTC’s complaint was ludicrous; they were paranoid. Worse, it was PC! One more time, you can’t have it both ways: You can’t on the one hand say that any joke about religion is off limits and then on the other hand argue (properly) with those who try to say that “Merry Christmas” is off limits. It’s only the flipside of the same PC language tyranny.
Then Hugh argues:
Every time an elitist condemns a person of faith as a “theocrat,” or a scientist rejects an argument against embryonic stem cell research as a “fundamentalists’ position,” the effort to expel faith from the public square advances, and not via debate, but via the sneer…. Jarvis’ jeremiad against focus on conflicts between the sectarian and the secular is itself an attempt to demote issues of faith in the culture to second-class conflicts, beneath the attention of “serious” thinkers –a back lot drama played out by hayseeds and snake handlers. How convenient, and how wrong.
Oh, heck, one more time: I see you trying to play both sides again. On the one hand, you don’t want people to argue with you: You can sneer at their secularism but they can’t sneer at your faith? Well, it might be better if they each debated rather than sneered. But I’d say that “elitist” is itself a sneering word. The point is that people disagree. But disagreement and debate are not war and persecution.
: Meanwhile, over at Powerline, Paul Mirengoff says:
In the end, the real problem is all about lumping: lumping people together in a nation that believes we are individuals. Each of us has the right to worship as we please and so we must allow all our fellow citizens to worship as they please. We speak and vote as we please and allow our fellow citizens to speak and vote as they please. That is what the First Amendment — and America — are all about.
: Powerline also points us to George Washington’s wonderful letter to a Jewish congregation:
…The Citizens of the United States of America have a right to applaud themselves for having given to mankind examples of an enlarged and liberal policy: a policy worthy of imitation. All possess alike liberty of conscience and immunities of citizenship. It is now no more that toleration is spoken of, as if it was by the indulgence of one class of people, that another enjoyed the exercise of their inherent natural rights. For happily the Government of the United States, which gives to bigotry no sanction, to persecution no assistance requires only that they who live under its protection should demean themselves as good citizens, in giving it on all occasions their effectual support….
Each under his own vine and figtree.
: BrotherBlogger makes my argument better than I did here:
I think the “religious war” so frequently talked about is nothing more than headline grabbers. I don’t doubt that there are those hostile to Christian points of view in America. But it seems a far leap from that to say that these same people want Christianity to somehow disappear and are willing to destroy the First Amendment to do it.
Comments »	Advice to the bloglorn
: Ethan Zuckerman gives colleague Rebecca MacKinnon a little dating advice.