Ocean View wrote: <quoted text>Another falsehood without substantiation in regard to Monterey, otherwise please provide a credible source. Is this credible enough for you, old boy? Hope you are wearing a hat, cuz this will blow you mind! Or did you already know about this but thought I didn't? Excuse me now, as I must take a mouth breathing/knuckle dragging walk around the old cave. Defund the EPA!Federal Register | Taking and Importing Marine Mammals; Taking ... May 20, 2011 ... NMFS has defined �negligible impact� in 50 CFR 216.103 as �*** an ..... Two separate fireworks display sites (City of Monterey and Pacific ..... The report further suggested that �environmental impacts from fireworks ... www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/05/20/2... ...- Similar Lawsuit Filed To Stop La Jolla Fireworks | KPBS.org Jun 29, 2010 ... A local environmental organization filed a lawsuit last week to stop ... many years now and we have those reports and there's no evidence.... The lawsuit would require all fireworks displayed in the City of San Diego to be cancelled ... a statistically significant impact on them from the fireworks.... www.kpbs.org/news/2010/jun/29/lawsuit-filed-s... ...- Similar Reply »
douchefighter wrote: <quoted text>Is this credible enough for you, old boy? Hope you are wearing a hat, cuz this will blow you mind! Or did you already know about this but thought I didn't? Excuse me now, as I must take a mouth breathing/knuckle dragging walk around the old cave. Defund the EPA!Federal Register | Taking and Importing Marine Mammals; Taking ...May 20, 2011 ... NMFS has defined �negligible impact� in 50 CFR 216.103 as �*** an ..... Two separate fireworks display sites (City of Monterey and Pacific ..... The report further suggested that �environmental impacts from fireworks ... www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/05/20/2... ...- Similar It's really important to read through the entire notice, especially when relying on it to support a position which it turns out is in opposition to what is actually being proposed. It will save being embarrassed in the future.The import of the Federal Register publication is that it seeking public comment on a request by a federal governmental agency (NOAA, which administers the MBNMS) to continue to ALLOW, rather than to restrict or prohibit, public fireworks displays over the waters of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS), which includes the City of Monterey Independence Day display, which has been temporarily discontinued because of budget cuts. Quite pertinent is the date of the notice, May 20, 2011, which entertains a 45-day comment period, which has nothing to do with fireworks display cancellations for 2009-2011.Specifically, "MBNMS is requesting authorization to incidentally harass up to 6,170 California sea lions and 1,065 harbor seals during the one-year time span of the proposed IHA, from July 4, 2011 to July 3, 2012." Since the Sanctuary is charged with the responsibility of managing the various commercial and recreational activities within its boundaries, it is reasonable that they would need to seek guidance on the establishment of regulatory guidelines, especially when there may be a conflict with the enforcement of the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA).Elsewhere, the notice states "The MBNMS has issued 87 permits for professional fireworks displays since 1993. However, the MBNMS staff projects that as many as 20 coastal displays per year may be conducted in, or adjacent to, MBNMS boundaries in the future. Thus, the number of displays will be limited to not more than 20 events per year in four specific areas along 276 mi (444 km) of coastline. Fireworks displays will not exceed 30 minutes (with the exception of up to two displays per year, each not to exceed 1 hour) in duration and will occur with an average frequency of less than or equal to once every two months within each of the four prescribed display areas. NMFS believes�and extensive monitoring data indicates�that incidental take resulting from fireworks displays will be, at most, the short-term flushing and evacuation of non-breeding haul-out sites by California sea lions and harbor seals."
Ocean View wrote: <quoted text>It's really important to read through the entire notice, especially when relying on it to support a position which it turns out is in opposition to what is actually being proposed. It will save being embarrassed in the future.The import of the Federal Register publication is that it seeking public comment on a request by a federal governmental agency (NOAA, which administers the MBNMS) to continue to ALLOW, rather than to restrict or prohibit, public fireworks displays over the waters of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS), which includes the City of Monterey Independence Day display, which has been temporarily discontinued because of budget cuts. Quite pertinent is the date of the notice, May 20, 2011, which entertains a 45-day comment period, which has nothing to do with fireworks display cancellations for 2009-2011.Specifically, "MBNMS is requesting authorization to incidentally harass up to 6,170 California sea lions and 1,065 harbor seals during the one-year time span of the proposed IHA, from July 4, 2011 to July 3, 2012." Since the Sanctuary is charged with the responsibility of managing the various commercial and recreational activities within its boundaries, it is reasonable that they would need to seek guidance on the establishment of regulatory guidelines, especially when there may be a conflict with the enforcement of the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA).Elsewhere, the notice states "The MBNMS has issued 87 permits for professional fireworks displays since 1993. However, the MBNMS staff projects that as many as 20 coastal displays per year may be conducted in, or adjacent to, MBNMS boundaries in the future. Thus, the number of displays will be limited to not more than 20 events per year in four specific areas along 276 mi (444 km) of coastline. Fireworks displays will not exceed 30 minutes (with the exception of up to two displays per year, each not to exceed 1 hour) in duration and will occur with an average frequency of less than or equal to once every two months within each of the four prescribed display areas. NMFS believes�and extensive monitoring data indicates�that incidental take resulting from fireworks displays will be, at most, the short-term flushing and evacuation of non-breeding haul-out sites by California sea lions and harbor seals." I guess you don't know a blueprint when you see one. When the govt. can tell you what to do, it is only a matter of time that someone convinces the govt. to take it away. Just ask San Diego.
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Ocean View wrote: <quoted text>Another falsehood without substantiation in regard to Monterey, otherwise please provide a credible source. Is this credible enough for you, old boy? Hope you are wearing a hat, cuz this will blow you mind! Or did you already know about this but thought I didn't? Excuse me now, as I must take a mouth breathing/knuckle dragging walk around the old cave. Defund the EPA!Federal Register | Taking and Importing Marine Mammals; Taking ... May 20, 2011 ... NMFS has defined �negligible impact� in 50 CFR 216.103 as �*** an ..... Two separate fireworks display sites (City of Monterey and Pacific ..... The report further suggested that �environmental impacts from fireworks ... www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/05/20/2... ...- Similar Lawsuit Filed To Stop La Jolla Fireworks | KPBS.org Jun 29, 2010 ... A local environmental organization filed a lawsuit last week to stop ... many years now and we have those reports and there's no evidence.... The lawsuit would require all fireworks displayed in the City of San Diego to be cancelled ... a statistically significant impact on them from the fireworks.... www.kpbs.org/news/2010/jun/29/lawsuit-filed-s... ...- Similar Reply »
douchefighter wrote: <quoted text>Is this credible enough for you, old boy? Hope you are wearing a hat, cuz this will blow you mind! Or did you already know about this but thought I didn't? Excuse me now, as I must take a mouth breathing/knuckle dragging walk around the old cave. Defund the EPA!Federal Register | Taking and Importing Marine Mammals; Taking ...May 20, 2011 ... NMFS has defined �negligible impact� in 50 CFR 216.103 as �*** an ..... Two separate fireworks display sites (City of Monterey and Pacific ..... The report further suggested that �environmental impacts from fireworks ... www.federalregister.gov/articles/2011/05/20/2... ...- Similar It's really important to read through the entire notice, especially when relying on it to support a position which it turns out is in opposition to what is actually being proposed. It will save being embarrassed in the future.The import of the Federal Register publication is that it seeking public comment on a request by a federal governmental agency (NOAA, which administers the MBNMS) to continue to ALLOW, rather than to restrict or prohibit, public fireworks displays over the waters of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS), which includes the City of Monterey Independence Day display, which has been temporarily discontinued because of budget cuts. Quite pertinent is the date of the notice, May 20, 2011, which entertains a 45-day comment period, which has nothing to do with fireworks display cancellations for 2009-2011.Specifically, "MBNMS is requesting authorization to incidentally harass up to 6,170 California sea lions and 1,065 harbor seals during the one-year time span of the proposed IHA, from July 4, 2011 to July 3, 2012." Since the Sanctuary is charged with the responsibility of managing the various commercial and recreational activities within its boundaries, it is reasonable that they would need to seek guidance on the establishment of regulatory guidelines, especially when there may be a conflict with the enforcement of the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA).Elsewhere, the notice states "The MBNMS has issued 87 permits for professional fireworks displays since 1993. However, the MBNMS staff projects that as many as 20 coastal displays per year may be conducted in, or adjacent to, MBNMS boundaries in the future. Thus, the number of displays will be limited to not more than 20 events per year in four specific areas along 276 mi (444 km) of coastline. Fireworks displays will not
 exceed 30 minutes (with the exception of up to two displays per year, each not to exceed 1 hour) in duration and will occur with an average frequency of less than or equal to once every two months within each of the four prescribed display areas. NMFS believes�and extensive monitoring data indicates�that incidental take resulting from fireworks displays will be, at most, the short-term flushing and evacuation of non-breeding haul-out sites by California sea lions and harbor seals."
Ocean View wrote: <quoted text>It's really important to read through the entire notice, especially when relying on it to support a position which it turns out is in opposition to what is actually being proposed. It will save being embarrassed in the future.The import of the Federal Register publication is that it seeking public comment on a request by a federal governmental agency (NOAA, which administers the MBNMS) to continue to ALLOW, rather than to restrict or prohibit, public fireworks displays over the waters of the Monterey Bay National Marine Sanctuary (MBNMS), which includes the City of Monterey Independence Day display, which has been temporarily discontinued because of budget cuts. Quite pertinent is the date of the notice, May 20, 2011, which entertains a 45-day comment period, which has nothing to do with fireworks display cancellations for 2009-2011.Specifically, "MBNMS is requesting authorization to incidentally harass up to 6,170 California sea lions and 1,065 harbor seals during the one-year time span of the proposed IHA, from July 4, 2011 to July 3, 2012." Since the Sanctuary is charged with the responsibility of managing the various commercial and recreational activities within its boundaries, it is reasonable that they would need to seek guidance on the establishment of regulatory guidelines, especially when there may be a conflict with the enforcement of the Marine Mammal Protection Act (MMPA).Elsewhere, the notice states "The MBNMS has issued 87 permits for professional fireworks displays since 1993. However, the MBNMS staff projects that as many as 20 coastal displays per year may be conducted in, or adjacent to, MBNMS boundaries in the future. Thus, the number of displays will be limited to not more than 20 events per year in four specific areas along 276 mi (444 km) of coastline. Fireworks displays will not exceed 30 minutes (with the exception of up to two displays per year, each not to exceed 1 hour) in duration and will occur with an average frequency of less than or equal to once every two months within each of the four prescribed display areas. NMFS believes�and extensive monitoring data indicates�that incidental take resulting from fireworks displays will be, at most, the short-term flushing and evacuation of non-breeding haul-out sites by California sea lions and harbor seals." I guess you don't know a blueprint when you see one. When the govt. can tell you what to do, it is only a matter of time that someone convinces the govt. to take it away. Just ask San Diego.
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